Wilder VS The Tuaman

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  1. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Yep. Doesn't have the coordination or skill to pull something like that off - a 12 round masterclass in which he shuts out Wilder like Lewis did.. Because he certainly isn't going to be trading punches with Tua like Ibeabuchi.
     
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  2. The Senator

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    Wilder's my favorite current HW, but Tua starches him, and I have little doubt about that. He might have trouble getting in for a while, but eventually that left hook is going to land.
     
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  3. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    No I am not a boxer myself, had a few amateur fights back in the 90's when I was a teenager.

    I have noticed there are quite a few more boxing gyms around than before. I guess the scene is more lively than it was. I honestly don't have the time to keep up with the local scene like I used to.
     
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  4. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Tua knocks Joshua out.
     
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  5. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Was the Tua that fought Ruiz really THAT good? Was the Ruiz that Tua beat really that good? Was he any better than the Liakhovich that Wilder fought?
     
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  6. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I definitely disagree with this one. I think Joshua would dominate Tua. I think Wilder could potentially beat Tua, but I'm less convinced on that one.
     
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  7. Rumsfeld

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    I agree that Tua's "losing" effort against Ike was something special. I believe Tua deserved the nod in that fight, and that was the best Tua ever performed. It was the one fight where Tua was doing all of the little things he usually got criticized for not doing - throwing to the body, effectively mixing in his right hand, high activity rate, and some nice short explosive combinations.

    But take away the Ike performance, and Tua always struggled badly against guys with halfway decent jabs. Izon was doing a number on him, a very green Maskaev was putting on a boxing clinic for 10 rounds, Tua was getting badly outboxed by Rahman, and then he even had his struggles against guys like Fres Oquendo and Doc Nicholson.

    I was ringside for a few Tua fights later in his career, and I remember he looked more than a little subpar against Robert Hawkins (although that wound up being a fun and competitive fight to watch).

    Tua was dangerous. And Tua had power. And if Tua could find the range to clip Wilder with his devastating hook, Tua could knock him out. But even most of the bigger name guys Tua did knock out, it usually came late after being outboxed by men far less athletic than Wilder.

    So going back to your opening sentence that you can't envision a scenario where Tua doesn't win by brutal KO - are you sure about that? I'm not saying Tua couldn't or wouldn't win by brutal KO. But I can certainly envision a scenario whereby a lethargic Tua falls into his cycle of doom - plod forward, eat a jab, reset, plod forward, eat a jab, reset. We've just seen it so many times across his career, that I can definitely envision Wilder boxing effectively and neutralizing Tua's main weapon.
     
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  8. BlizzyBlizz

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    Im actually convinced and go the other way. If Joshua got tired or couldn't move against Tua, he brutalizes Joshua.
     
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  9. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Good post, but Tua didn't beat Ike.
     
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  10. Rumsfeld

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    Joshua is a little more methodical, and I think that would give him a better advantage. Also, Joshua has overcome adversity against a world class opponent in Wladimir.

    With Wilder, the one thing he does well, that I think works as an advantage for him against some guys, is he isn't methodical, and does some very unorthodox things at times. I think this can work against him with Tua, and we've never seen Wilder overcome adversity against a top level dude.

    So for me, I'd be much more comfortable picking Joshua over Tua than Wilder over Tua.
     
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  11. Rumsfeld

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    I've probably seen the fight a half a dozen times, and I've always wound up having Tua ahead at the end. It was an awesome fight, and I thought there were a lot of tricky rounds to score. But for me, Tua's more telling blows won the day over Ike's superior activity.
     
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  12. BlizzyBlizz

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    Both would have to move against Tua, but the way Joshua looked against Takam, that's why I pick Tua real talk. Joshua left himself too open against Takam.
     
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  13. UnleashtheFURY

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    In almost every one of those instances Tua's power ended up bailing him out in the end though. Probably should have worded things differently you're right, while I can think of a few hypothetical scenarios where Tua looks bad and maybe loses I don't consider any likely given the clash of styles. Wilder just makes so many mistakes that even a lazy Tua would take advantage of. It also bears mentioning that Izon, Maskaev and Oquendo were solid and easily better than anyone Wilder has stepped in with(especially Maskaev and Oquendo) Rahman got the better of Tua in both fights and in a fair world should have been given a nod, but then again we're talking about the guy who also beat Lewis and Sanders. Quality operator and one of the great overachievers in HW history. On his night I don't see any way Tua loses to Wilder, and while a prime and lazy Tua might well struggle for stretches his power would probably end up bailing out in the end. Think that just about clears things up.
     
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  14. madballster

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    Tua won't be knocked out by Wilder, so Wilder could only win by decision. Tua on the other hand can KO Wilder at any moment. And the first left hook that even grazes Wilder's skull seals the deal. Chicken legs and game over.
     
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  15. The Clan

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    I’ll say again, where has this idea that Wilder is a master boxer come from, he’s never displayed any kind of ring savvy in 39 fights. Neither do I see him possessing a quality jab, yes it’s improving and I know they’re working frantically on it ahead of big fights against Parker, Joshua or Fury but it’s not a punch he’s mastered.

    Wilder needs room to throw his most effective shots and he’s very cumbersome at finding that room. He’s managed to find it against the poor opposition he’s faced but a higher quality fighter won’t allow him to step backwards and load up in the amateurish fashion he does currently.

    Tua wouldn’t sit back and allow Wilder room and breathing space, he’d be square on and coming forward with menace, constantly pressuring Wilder who hasn’t got the ability to fight going backwards nor the jab to keep Tua at bay. Tua will land and as we’ve seen in numerous fights, Wilder has no punch resistance. Tua by KO Rd2
     
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