Wilder vs. Wlad (2017) who wins?

UKAD, Tyson Fury and Hughie Fury have agreed to resolve the proceedings brought by UKAD (1) against Tyson Fury and Hughie Fury based on the reported presence of elevated levels of nandrolone metabolites in urine samples that they provided after their respective fights in February 2015; and (2) against Tyson Fury based on his alleged failure to provide a sample in September 2016.

UKAD's position is that the anti-doping rule violations it has asserted have been committed and the consequences set out in the UK Anti-Doping Rules should apply. Tyson and Hughie Fury's position is that they have never knowingly or deliberately committed any anti-doping rule violation. ‎In recognition of the respective counter-arguments and the risks inherent in the dispute resolution process, each side has accepted a compromise of its position.

The proceedings have therefore been resolved on the following basis: the anti-doping rule violations based on the reported presence of elevated levels of nandrolone metabolites are upheld, the refusal charge is withdrawn, Hughie and Tyson Fury each receive a two-year period of ineligibility, and their results from their respective fights in February 2015 are disqualified. Taking into account that no adverse analytical findings or adverse passport findings were reported in respect of any of the urine and/or blood samples collected from either boxer after February 2015 (including from Tyson Fury on 11 May 2015, 16 July 2015, 8 October 2015, 17 October 2015, 11 November 2015, 13 July 2016, and 4 May 2017; and from Hughie Fury on 11 May 2015, 25 July 2015, 8 October 2015, 17 October 2015, 14 November 2015, 18 July 2016, 29 September 2016, 18 February 2017, 19 April 2017, 8 August 2017, 29 August 2017, and 23 September 2017), their competition results after February 2015 are not disqualified. Taking into account the delays in results management that meant charges were not brought in respect of the nandrolone findings until June 2016, and the provisional suspensions that Tyson and Hughie Fury have already effectively served, the two year period of ineligibility is backdated to 13 December 2015, and therefore expires at midnight on 12 December 2017

You still want continue this argument?

Since when does someone FAIL a test and not get banned FOR OVER A YEAR. During this period Fury BEAT Wlad's ass.

Fury was not informed of what they would call an "adverse finding"

They sat on the result because they couldn't bring it to court. due to lack of evidence and mishandling. That is a fact. They were hoping they could catch Fury out in subsequent tests, HE PASSED THEM ALL.

The legal process started in 2016 and before getting bankrupted by Fury they mutually agreed to end the case and go their own ways.

Never bring out a WEAK legal case against a man who is depressed and could not care if he didn't box again a day in his life. He would have brought UKAD to their knees and nearly did.

 

What reason would he have for ducking the rematch? The first fight was so easy , it left him with no motivation whatsoever to do it a second time. Fury needs to be presented with a challenge to get him motivated and Klitschko wasn't much of a challenge for him.

 

Wlad destroys wilder. That wlad, wlad from 5 years ago or wlad from in 2 years time. Wlad is all wrong for wilder just like joshua is. Skilled with power.

 

There is a chance Wilder would catch the older man but based on his accomplishments and how well he did against AJ I would favour Wlad. As said he is just technically so much better and has the KO punch. Added to this I did think Wilder was shook a few times against Fury, who punches hard enough but not as hard as Wlad. KO for the old man.

 

The only thing I know on this God green earth is the devastating bronze bomber dropped Fury not once, but twice with those so called primitive windmills! The technical skill of the superior Klitschko, didn't do squat to Fury! Thank you Deontay for your performance, I think that well earned draw gives you a equal claim on that lineal title. Lol.

 

The thread is about the 2017 Wlad that came close to stopping Joshua, not the under par version that hardly tried vs Fury in 15.

 

Wlad was 41 and coming out of retirement. Wilder would’ve knocked Wlad senseless just like Ortiz and a few other guys would. You have to remember that Joshua was extremely green. Wlad was able to use Joshua’s inexperience against him, but he was just too old and shot to deal with Joshua’s youth.

Joshua made a textbook mistake of standing straight in front of Wlad, who despite being old and slow could obviously still punch and floored Joshua.

Wlad from 2010 on the other hand cleans out the division.

 

So..he was tested positive for steroids and given a backdated two year ban. Why it is so difficult to accept. Or do you really believe that his high nandrolone levels were result of eating uncastrated wild boar meet :-D

 

I think due to styles Wladimir would have won most likely inside schedule.

 

Wlad by KO.

 

Any version of Wlad leaves Wilder twitching on the canvas 19/20, although one time out of 20 Wilder gets lucky and leaves Wlad twitching on the canvas. This is a good match up for fans of canvas twitching.

 

Just imagine the punch Wlad threw to put AJ down landing on Deonkey's face, he'd be out cold no doubt about it.

Wlad offers the balance between AJ and Fury. He can come forward but also box as well. That balance causes serious problems for Deonkey as Wlad won't be scared to pile the pressure on when he sees the opportunity.

Klitschko has loads of head movement, Deonkey won't land. And if he goes to the body which is what he should do, then he'll get smacked by a huge punch to the head when he comes inward towards Wlad.

Klitschko KO's him after running rings round him for a few rounds.

 

Tyson furry fought a wlad that hadn't been challenged in years, an he no doubt was looking passed Tyson, an even in the closing rounds wlad came on stronger (but to late of course), but furry to me is a poor mans Vitali, he doesn't hit as hard, not as good of a chin, but he wins in a very awkward (highly skilled way, Vitali more so) way. But wlad wasn't even game in that fight, he fought a slick boxer, an I am sure that was last thing he thought he was going to fight. But for wilder, wlad has been perfecting, the protection of that chin of his since he knew he had a problem, an you need a special speed (sanders) to put him down an out. Wilder just does not have it, I could see him clipping wlad an putting him down, but just don't see him nailing him flush an putting him out. All the power wilder got hit with in that whole fight, would be what he feel after 3 to 4 rounds. Wlad on my score card with furry had me giving wlad 5 rounds to 7 for furry, an demolished him in the 12th, an furry was in much more fighting shape, then he was for wilder.

 

I think we will have a more definitive answer to this whenever Wilder faces AJ. They certainly have differences, but they have enough similarities that if Wilder beats AJ, who will presumably have improved from his Wlad days, he would have beat 2017 Wlad. If he loses to AJ, he probably would have lost to Wlad. I think AJ is better suited to beating Wilder stylistically than Wlad anyway; the longer you let Wilder hang around, the more likely he is to land a KO. And AJ is generally more aggressive than Wlad. So, if Wilder beats AJ, to me that means he probably would have always beat Wlad, at least 2017 Wlad. If he loses to AJ, there is a bit more question in my own mind, but I think it would still be mostly reasonable to assume Wilder to lose to Wlad as well.