Wilder was 212 pounds vs 254 pound Fury

Oh dear god, right turn Clyde.......

 

Ali was 6'2 weighin 201 pounds in 1966 (prime) he would have been a cruiser today.

 

Fury can get down to 240 lbs easily. He's fat AF still.

That said, Usyk at 6'3, 210 lbs ~ will be the true test of skill vs size in the division. Wilder is still a giant 6'7 with long AF arms.

 

Are you comparing a 6"7 heavyweight to 6 foot heavyweights just because of their weight? LOL

The heavyweights are getting too big, eventually you'll get a much smaller heavyweight that'll take them out, now saying that Tyson Fury is an exception because you're not supposed to be able to move like he does for as long as he does at the size that he is. A freak of nature.

 

Yes, Holyfield is the best counterexample. He didn't dominate the era, and lost to the best SHW's he faced, but he was definitely an ATG. Personally, I think that is Usyk's best case scenario. That he establishes himself as a great, maybe upsets one of the Big 3, but can't dominate an era the way Ali did, who was the same size as him in a much smaller era. So, the point remains that people of that style, smaller than average and lighter hitting than average, appear to have a cap on how well they can do in the division. Ultimately, sports progress. Sports with tangible records have all seen those records broken, usually by bigger and better athletes. Boxing doesn't have tangible records. But they have seen the same general size increase that sports that DO have tangible proof of improvement has seen. Its tough to make definitive statements about this stuff, none of it is fully provable. But the great bulk of the evidence suggests that old ATG's would have a much harder time in this era.

 

I find it stupid how you can compare Dempsey to Wilder just because of their weight. Wilder is 6"7, trust me, the guy is no small heavyweight. Wilder chooses to be 212 lbs because it suits him, but he's no where near damn small. Put it this way if he walked past you in the street you wouldn't be thinking oh that guys small LOL. Ridiculous thread.

 

He weighed 201 against Cooper and 204 against Mildenberger. If you take all his 66-67 match weights he averages at 208.5 pounds...

With modern day pre day weigh-ins, water cutting and rehydration the Cruiserweight would have been nothing for him to reach. Usyk is noticeably bigger than Ali.

 

Also Holyfield was roided up as a heavyweight. He was noticeably smaller than Ali naturally.

 

Sure, you can argue anything. It just doesn't change the general weight of historical evidence.

 

It's not only to generate power. You have to transmit it as well. Raw vs boiled egg vs window. Deontay must have a hard, rigged body, no loose screws at the moving parts so to speak. That's why a light-weighed boxer can punch harder than a heavier yet more explosive one.

I would say it's a combination of weight*speeed*transmition/density.

 

If there was a super heavyweight division, Wilder would have a shot at becoming a major unified champion (at heavyweight). But as it is he's outmatched against the top superheavies.

 

He could go for the CW as well. 12 pounds is nothing.