Wilder - When will people run out of patience?

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  1. RG1885

    RG1885 Member Full Member

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    Im not claiming to know Wilders mindset, im taking a guess that he doesnt want the big fights based on his underwhelming resume and blatant absence of a top fighter.


    Parker, we can either assume he is not interested or he is planning a much bigger money route to AJ for the money involved - i dont know which.
    Vice versa, if Wilder fought Bellew as part of a planned route to a money fight to AJ while AJ fights Wlad in the rematch then so be it.
    Wilder and Parker both need to become known in the UK to create the sort of interest required to make a huge event for AJ.

    Im not saying Bellew is a genuine contender, but it would show what the intent is (set up an AJ fight). Bellew is a much bigger name in te UK after he "beat" David Haye.

    I would much rather they fought each other and if they do ill give them their dues (Wilder + Parker).

    All im saying is so far in his career he is 38 fights deep and has failed to land a single big name. You have to wonder the reasons why? It cant be bad luck every single time.
     
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    Outstock PBR Full Member

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    He'll be fighting a top 50 guy soon enough and i wouldn't be surprised if he won.
     
  3. Dfaulds

    Dfaulds Well-Known Member Full Member

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    They both hold one belt and have equal "claim".

    Wilder struggles in all of his fights until he lands his money shot...

    Wilder has more title defences than Joshua.... But Joshua's reign is clearly better
     
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    So on that logic AJ could have defended against;

    Brezeale
    Molina
    Klitschko - say he beats Klitschko in the rematch and for whatever reason doesnt get Wilder anypoint soon he could then have;
    Pulev, Ortiz, Whyte, Fury(If fit), Haye(If fit), Parker.

    The above is all hypothetical of course and not in any order.

    But say Wilder defends his belt against another 4 or 5 bums.
    Would that mean he has a better title reign?
     
  5. Absolutely!

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    Meh, I'd pick him against both guys. Wawrzcyk has an awful chin and very average skills, Arreola is shot to buggery and was never really any good to begin with.

    I'm not trying to defend Wilder's whole resume but I will say that in this one instance his choice of opponent wasn't totally indefensible.

    Really? I'd definitely pick Washington to beat a large number of opponents in the top fifty. He already beat Chambers so he's clearly not that useless, and gave Mansour a lot of problems, so the idea that someone like Fujimoto or Arnold Gjergjaj would beat him is beyond ridiculous. Check out the number of muppets in the top fifty. It doesn't make for impressive reading.
     
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    Stiverne was a top fighter. He was WBC champion. He is calling people out , so he wants the big fights. There is no reason at all to think he doesn't want to fight Parker. Stop trying to convince yourself otherwise.

    What difference does his 38 fights make? Did you even know who he was 20 fights ago? I didn't.

    Over half those fights weren't even televised. Nobody who knew who he was , there was no pressure on him to fight anybody.
    He got his Showtime deal 13 fights ago , so has only been on the world stage since 2012. Its not like he was in the public eye since he turned pro.
     
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    Dfaulds Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Washington has terrible stamina and little power so I couldn't pick him "confidently" to beat anyone in the top 50. Eddie Chambers hadn't fought a decent heavyweight since he lost to Vitali and Mansour (who is boxrec #32) beat him easily.
     
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    Well, Mansour was easily beating Brezeale until he got stopped. Mansour's a dangerous fcuker. He certainly would have finished Washington if Washington's stamina was as bad as you say it is.

    Do you honestly think Washington vs Gjergaj is a fifty fifty fight?
     
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    Mansour was easily beating Breazeale, I agree and I also think Mansour would give Wilder fits.

    Just because he has bad stamina doesn't mean he'll get knocked out. He has good basic fundamentals and decent defence/chin.

    I'd favour Washington but not confidently enough to bet on it.
     
  10. RG1885

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    If Wilder does want the big fights, then i must say i feel sorry for him cos he must be the unluckiest boxer in the world, he cant seem to actually get a single one.
    Having 38 fights is relevant, by that point, especially as a Champion, he should be fighting the best in the division - but again, we must put that down as Wilder being the unluckiest boxer on the planet.

    Wilders resume is a disgrace for a 38 fight World Champion and that is fact.
    Joshua has had 19 fights and already got a bigger name on his record than Wilder.
    Bellew has a better name on his HW resume with Haye.

    Wilder either steps up or its clear he doesnt genuinely want it.
    Whether its true or not i dont know as i havent even looked for it but ive heard he called out AJ not long after returning to the US after the Wembley fight, why didnt he do it then, make a statement that he wants Joshua as soon as Joshua is done with Klitschko?

    Instead, when promted by Johnny Nelson regarding whether he wants AJ he whimpered "That sounds just lovely".
    Then he gets back and apparently makes a video calling him out, thats farcical.

    Wilder may have been unlucky with Povetkin, he may stand to be unlucky with Parker, it remains to be seen, but aside from that, he has no argument for not getting big fights. Arreola, Molina, Washington, he is meant to be a World Champion, one of the elite, the best in the world, he is fighting guys that are on a level below genuine contenders.
     
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    GGG couldn't get big fights , he wasn't unlucky , guys just didn't want to fight him.

    You heard wrong. But i find it hard to believe that anybody who follows the sport was not aware that Wilder called AJ out multiple times while in the UK.

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    Obviously not true. Nelson doesn't seem to want Wilder vs AJ by the way he's been talking recently.
     
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    I mean making a proper statement, he had a pathetic beef with Tony Bellew and mentions on the side he wants Joshua. Then post fight also discussed a fight with Bellew whilst stood next to him. I know who i think it looks like he is really calling out. And he did chuckle nervously and give a really weird "That sounds lovely" when Nelson asked him.

    People dont want to fight GGG because he is genuinely world class and its been widely reported regarding Canelo avoiding him for example and there is no getting away from it.
    Wilder has dynatime in his right hand but for a fighter so oviously lacking in technical boxing ability with gaping holes in his game thats shown that he can be outboxed quite easily by fighters at Washingtons level, i find it hard to believe all the top fighters in the division are avoiding Wilder.
    Wilder is all mouth, with a terrible resume, the potential to be exciting and respected by far more people than he currently is. Until he steps up his level of opponent then he will be regarded by many the way he is now...
    Paper champ with a padded resume full of bums to protect his 0.

    As i have said, i want to like Wilder. I like the idea of watching him fight, i just dont like his record and his endless excuses made by fans.

    Some Wilder fans genuine argument for Wilders resume is that he was going to fight Povetkin.
    That tells you all you need to konw really.
     
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    Look through the thread from May 8th titled "Deontay calls out Joshua" - thats the one im talking about, comments in there back up what i was saying about "That sounds lovely" while giggling nervously.
    Big talking man before the fight saying he wants to call out the winner then mentioned Joshua, Parker and Bellew and shook Bellews hand while muttering about how lovely it sounds to fight Joshua.
    Then gets back to the states and calls out Joshua. Bizarre.
    He is all over the place.

    Heres the link - https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/deontay-calls-out-joshua.586514/
     
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  14. Outstock

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    Why doesn't Joshua accept his challenge and expose him for only being all talk?

    'giggling nervously' ? He couldn't have made it more clear that he wants Parker first , then Joshua. You are looking for the smallest of reasons to justify your hatred of this man. You don't want to give the guy a fair shake , that's fine. Everybody has haters.
     
  15. RG1885

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    I have said multiple times throughout this thread i dislike his resume, not Wilder himself.
    As stated previously, Wilders limitations but explosive ability make the idea of him exciting and appealing, but not against trash opponents.
    I would happily admit right now, AJ is a better boxer but for sure if/when they do get it on Wilder has a legit chance due to his awkardness and huge punches. AJ can take a punch better than i expected but no granite chin. Its a fight i am desperate to see, being from the UK i want AJ to win it but not because i "hate" Wilder.

    How can Joshua call him out halfway through a likely 2 fight contract with Klitschko then a much bigger money fight in Fury (if all goes well)?
    What would be the point in it, the point is that while Joshua is taking care of other fights, those fights are huge, Klitschko rematch then Fury are both huge fights.
    If AJ calls out Wilder after Klitschko, all of Joshuas casual fanboys and girls (of which there are many, loads probably in Wembley as well) go who on earth is Deontay Wilder???

    If Deontay does step up (which i will happily credit him for) and fights Parker, unifies then fights Whyte or Bellew to raise his profile in the UK, perhaps on the AJ-Fury Undercard (if fury gets in shape) then thats the perfect way for that fight to go.
    But he has to step up.
    He has a chance against literally anyone in the division becuase of his power, i want to see him do it against the top boys and get himself in contention for a huge fight with AJ.
    Im not hating on him honestly, i can see why it looks like i am, i just think his resume is a disgrace but i want to like Wilder - his style is appealing i just cant unless he steps it up.