Wilder willing to go to the UK, seems to be getting realistic in his demands

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  1. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Come down with his demands?

    If Joshua thinks he can beat Wilder, all Hearn and Joshua have to do is offer him 80-20, knock Wilder out, grab the WBC belt and never see him again.

    Wilder's willing to take what they offer because he believes he'll beat Joshua.

    If Hearn and Joshua block the fight because they want more money in a return bout in the event Joshua loses to Wilder, that speaks volumes about how confident they are.
     
  2. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    Not for the Parker fight. If he'd won Parker was on a 55 split for the rematch. There are news articles over the web you can find to confirm.
     
  3. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    In a sport where a bad ref, judges, a cut or freak injury can end a fight, you don't just rely on things going your way, you don'r risk potentially millions of dollars in the naive belief things can't go wrong. We've seen enough bad scoring in recent years that such an outcome isn't so ludicrous.

    If Wilder is always so confident of winning then why does he always fight Haymon fighters, if he's so confident why doesn't he take an easy win against Whyte and make double his biggest purse or more. Answer he's assessed the risk and like any good business man minimised the risk where he can to maximise gains.
     
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  4. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilder knocked out 39 of 40 opponents. Joshua stopped 20 of 21. This fight isn't going to the cards.

    Wilder isn't Joseph Parker, who went the distance in his last four fights and arguably lost three of them, and seemed to be content to throw a lot of combinations while standing a foot out of reach of his target (Joshua).

    Wilder thinks he can knock Joshua's head off. That's the plan. That's always his plan.

    Wilder is willing to gamble everything that he is successful against Joshua.

    Wilder will take whatever they offer as long as it's in the contract Hearn and Joshua accept the same deal after Wilder wins.

    If Joshua and Hearn are confident, they can take all the money they want for the first fight and mock Wilder after they beat him for losing out on all that money ... and never fight him again.

    If Joshua and Hearn are afraid, they can offer Wilder a close purse split for the first fight so they can guarantee themselves the same if they lose.

    But Wilder isn't the one trying to hedge his bets here.
     
  5. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Both have been taken the distance, it's not guaranteed it doesn't go to the cards, unlikely but not guaranteed.

    If Wilder is willing to gamble everything then why is he looking to fight a safer fight in Breazeale next probably for $1-1.5 mill when he could fight Whyte for at least $4 mill and Joshua for even more?

    Wilder is hedging his bets just like Joshua and Hearn. The guy has made a career of being over protected, even the Ortiz fight was a calculated risk. He's old, looked poor in recent fights, needs blood pressure meds and is signed to Haymon. Why didn't he fight Povetkin instead, more money, just as much prestige?

    It would be foolish of Hearn and Joshua to just overlook Wilder. He is a threat, he clearly has a punchers chance, do you think Wilder's chin is so poor and he's is such a fraud that Joshua will walk through him. Obviously not and neither does Hearn and Joshua.
     
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  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Then the purse split should reflect their level of fear.

    Because Wilder isn't asking for a bigger cut for the initial fight, he's just asking them to flip the purse split in his favor for the rematch should he happen to win.

    If they aren't too concerned about him, they should offer him the same initial split they gave to all the other guys they weren't concerned about beating ... and be confident there will never be a return bout.

    Should be an easy fight to make if Hearn and Joshua aren't worried about losing.
     
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  7. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    What would you say is a fair fixed offer?
     
  8. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Not a chance Wilder would accept a 90/10 split against him to potentially get that in a rematch if he won. If you believe he would then you're a total mark.
     
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  9. The Clan

    The Clan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Of course Wilder will go to the U.K.
    He’s just watched Parker take 30% and still earn $13 Million!

    Wilder would have to fight another 6 to 8 times to earn close to that
     
  10. Farmboxer

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    Wilder will not fight Joshua, he will fight Breazeale next! Breazeale was knocked out by Joshua, is owned by Haymon, it has been decided..................Wilder does not want to fight Joshua, Povetkin, Whyte, Miller, Ruiz, etc.
     
  11. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Really couldnt say mate.
    Is there a fair offer to anyone who puts their life on the line?
    Hopefully both would be happy with whatever it is, but I couldnt say
     
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  12. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    You can apply exactly the same logic to Wilder. If he's confident why not just say, 'give me the same deal you gave Parker' and beat AJ twice for maybe 10 times your career earnings over the two fights then walk off as the undisputed champion of the world and a license to print money for the rest of your career? Write AJs greater Pro rata rate over the two fights as the price you pay for the guy bringing 4 belts to the table to your one?

    Because this isn't about the sound bites in the media, the interviews, the brags, boasts and assorted nonsense that's quoted here. It's a business discussion between two groups with some interests that align and some that don't. There are complex interactions with third parties and serious amounts of money invested over many years at stake.

    The fight will happen, if not next then soon. Neither party will get everything they want, but both parties will get what they need or it doesn't happen. One prerequisite will be that wilder and his team will have to recognise, even if only implicitly, that AJ is the a side bringing more belts, eyeballs, ticket sales and media attention to the table. That's reality and his team will rightly expect the deal to reflect that reality. Once it does seconds out for what will hopefully be a great fight.
     
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  13. PrtectWhoNex

    PrtectWhoNex 36, going on 36 Full Member

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    Either way Matchroom boxing is blessing him.
    You can take the Whyte fight for x3+ career high payday or AJ for x10++ career high payday.
    From a risk management perspective it makes little sense to take any fight but Whyte if it's not Joshua next, because the alternative is a similar level opponent for under half the money in the US it seems.
    So logically one of these is next. If they can get a rematch clause with AJ and just go right to that fight him and his whole team should be swimming in money.
     
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  14. JediPimp007

    JediPimp007 Long suffering reader Full Member

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    It's actually even better than that, as it was £13m which on todays exchange is over $18m! That's x10 of what Wilder would typically earn, so to say no to that would be utter madness!
     
  15. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    Wilder is a moron if he doesn't fight Whyte or Joshua next.