Wilder working on his jab

He`s no Tommy Hearns in that clip.

 

That's what I remembered seeing, but just did a refresh and looks like Wilder sued Povetkin and won millions on the PED case..

 

I posted the article where Povetkin won his case. It is possible that Wilder won something early on. In the end it was Povetkin that was vindicated.

 

The jab is powerful but mechanical. A good jab would be more fluid as it needs to be able to adjust to a moving target and be thrown with a variety of power. As we saw in Fury 3, Wilder managed to keep this jab pumping out for 2 rounds at best.

 

the telegraphed body jabs in the first round of Fury 3 were pretty comical. like spamming a button in a video game.

 

Nonsense. Wilder isn't a slow, lumbering fighter.

Wilder is six-feet away, out of range of your shots, and within a second he's thrown a left and right, and you're falling back on the floor ... not even knowing what hit you.

Conn would have trouble getting close enough to land anything at all.

Here's a clip. Stop the clip at 15 seconds. Wilder is six feet away from Breazeale. Start and stop the clip at 16 seconds (one second later) ... Wilder has closed the entire gap, landed a left jab (which you almost need to run slow to even see) and a right hand right behind it, and Breazeale's knees are buckling and he's on his way down .. ALL IN ONE SECOND. ONE.

Made up all that ground, landed a combination, and the guy is heading to the floor ... one second.

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And if Conn tried to get close, BOOM, it's over. In a second.

Helenius thought he would actually close the gap on Wilder and he woke up on the floor.

Just took one second.

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People have gotten so used to trashing Wilder and making jokes, and watching him give up ridiculous amounts of size and weight to monsters like Fury (who, other than Valuev, is the largest man to ever hold the heavyweight title), you guys aren't even paying attention to what's happening anymore and how TALENTED, AND FAST, and POWERFUL you have to be to do what he's done.

I'd love it if Wilder spent the end of his career fighting guys his own size or SMALLER.

Let Wilder outweigh his opponents by 20, 30, 40, 50 pounds, like he's had to do forever. Let Canelo fight Wilder. Let Bivol. Bring on all the pound-for-pounders who weigh 170-to-180 pounds on up. Bring on the weight bullies like David Benavidez. Bring on the murderous punchers like Beterbiev. The carnage Wilder would leave would be amazing.

He could fight forever feasting on those smaller guys and knocking off one multiple-weight pound-for-pounder after another.

But he's never been a coward who dried out and tried to win belts in smaller divisions, because it's easier than giving up a lot of weight to his opponents, like most boxers in most weight divisions do.

 

You're over-dramatizing about Wilder's ability. The jab that you claim was so fast that it may need reviewing at slower speeds to even see it, was clearly visible viewed at normal speed. But YOU had to slow it down to see it, THAT I can believe.

And since you can see these "lightning quick" punches, did you happen to notice how high Wilder lifted his left foot off the canvas and skipped towards his opponent before landing that one-two? Any halfway decent fighter with a halfway decent jab and halfway decent timing would've stuffed it in Wilder's face mid-skip & knocked him off balance.

Helenius, on the other hand, ran wide-open at Wilder like a playground fight, with zero defense and his chin right there to be cracked. To point this out as some kind of demonstration of Wilder's great skill is ridiculous. Instead, it emphasizes Helenius' lack of ability, which was my whole point in the first place.

 

If I over-dramatize, it's because there are so many more than me on here who ridiculously under-value what he is doing in there.

For example, you ignore that he closed a six-foot gap, fired a combination flush on the target, and the guy was falling ... all within one second .. because "look how high he lifted his leg."

I mean, Jesus Christ, some of you guys will give him NO, absolutely ZERO credit for anything.

If he won, everyone sucks. If he loses, he sucks. If he'd have beaten Fury in the first or third fights when he had Tyson down, Fury would've sucked, too.

People on here were praising Helenius for years. People on here were praising him when he beat Kownacki twice in a row. What a great jab. Whatever Robert's problems with injuries in the past were, they are over. Cheers for Helenius. Wilder signs to fight him. Now, he's a bum. After Wilder starched him, Helenius clearly had "a lack of ability."

He didn't have a "lack of ability" ... he ate one of those brutal right hands from Wilder that nobody sees coming. (You didn't, either.) People couldn't even see it on most replays until they got the proper angle.

Too fast. Too much power.

I remember working in downtown Chicago and our office bought a bunch of pizzas and we had too much, so we took some fresh, full boxes of untouched pizza, still warm, down and there were homeless people outside. And I asked one man if he wanted it and he opened the box and said, "What? No pepperoni?" And I just said, yep, no pepperoni. And he rolled his eyes.

That's all I hear when I listen to some of you.

Look how awesome this is boxing fans. Closes a six-foot gap. Lands a perfect combination. The guy falls. All in one second.

And all I get from you is, "What? No pepperoni?"

Yep, he lifted his leg. You kinda have to "lift your leg" if you're going to move across the ring and close a six-foot gap. Either that, or "launch yourself through the air."

But isn't closing a six-foot gap, firing a pinpoint combination to the head, and rendering a man who outweighs you by 30 pounds unconscious ... all in one second ... showing the "tiniest, wee bit" of skill?"

At this point, Wilder could transform into Ray Robinson, and some of you guys would ridicule him for not doing it sooner.

You've completely closed your eyes.

 

No, neither of them won. It was a stalemate although in a sense both lost due to legal fees.

 

Shoulda done this ten freakin years ago.... He'd have been SOO much better.

 

Well, no, he won a case. I posted an article.

What is more, the WBC did not initially suspend him...that is fiction and I posted the evidence of that, too. They did suspend him after the "second" incident, but rescinded what they said would be a lifetime suspension after half a year.

So everything I said was correct.

Look, I posted the evidence you asked for and more, so believe as you like.

 

Wilder signed to fight Povetkin. Povetkin failed his drug test. Povetkin protested his innocence. And protested. And protested. The WBC gave Povetkin another chance and told him to fight an eliminator. Povetkin failed the drug test for that fight, TOO. (A different banned drug from the previous banned drug.) Povetkin was removed from the WBC ratings for a year, banned for a year from competing in any WBC sanctioned fights and he had to pay a $250,000 fine.

Povetkin served his time, paid his fine, and the WBC moved on.

Posting an article a year later (end of 2017) AFTER the fine was paid and the suspension was concluded, saying, "we've been cleared" doesn't mean you won.

It means you paid your penalty and served your time. If he didn't, the WBC wouldn't have moved on.

Also, can you imagine if Wilder actually agreed to reschedule and fight Povetkin later that same year?

Because Povetkin tested dirty AGAIN for a different banned drug.

Povetkin would've failed THAT DRUG TEST, TOO.

The whole "Wilder ducked Povetkin" nonsense never acknowledges that Povetkin failed his drug tests before ALL his fights that year because that ruins the narrative.

Wilder didn't fail his tests. Povetkin did. Before all his fights that year.

Instead, they zero in on "the WBC gave Povetkin another chance" ... and leave out "and he immediately GOT CAUGHT cheating again during that second chance, too."

But they still keep throwing it against the wall all these years later hoping it will stick.

 

Wilder, in my view, is one of the worst boxers with a belt that I've ever seen. I could care less how others view him, who ridicules him, who praises him - these things have nothing to do with my opinion of his lack of skill. I am completely unbiased in this, just as I am in 99.99999% of my opinions on any other fighter. I do not have favorites, nor do I have fighters that I don't like enough to make me lie about their skills and that includes Wilder. I have nothing at all against the guy.

I am not saying the one-two Wilder landed showed zero skill - I am saying his opponent lacked skills and that's why he couldn't time Wilder's strange skipping step towards him. The same goes for Helenius - Wilder indeed threw a nice punch but Helenius ran right into it face-first, practically doubling the impact. It looked so amateurish that I almost thought it was a fix. And again, I could care less about the praise Helenius received prior to their fight - in my view Helenius was never good at all.