Wilder would have dominated the 1920s

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  1. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You mean the rudimentary light heavyweight that gets overreated because he used the "dempey roll" against big oafs ? Yeah no Wilder one shots him. We don't get a fighter that beats Wilder until Joe Louis comes around
     
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  2. Moggy94

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    It's a very good one trick though
     
  3. Journeyman92

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    Who just has a big punch? everyone has there own subtle talents and little extras. Wilder has a chin, speed and a huge reach to go with that power to close the gap. I think he gets executed by decent fighters mind you.

    Someone great heavily reliant on there God given gifts was Khaosai Galaxy if he didn't have his power do you think he would have been what he was? It defined him and his success.
     
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  4. Moggy94

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    If Wilder existed anywhere from 1890-1925 people would be talking about how big, strong and heavily avoided he was by white challengers and how legendary his power was.

    Guys like Tommy Morrison, Ray Mercer, Shannon Briggs and Hasim Rahman would have reputations of epic proportions if they were around in those times too.
     
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  5. JohnThomas1

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    What happens when he runs into the likes of Gibbons, Carpentier, Miske and co.
     
  6. Journeyman92

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    Not arguing his shot with Wilder I have no idea on that but Jack was anything but rudimentary for his weight class. Reading his book is enough to tell me Dempsey knew science but if you need to see application of that science you need to pay attention. Jack Dempsey is what he was though no doubt and the Firpo fight shows us this, he was an entertainer first.
     
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    I remember the Gibbons fight as something of a way to dispel the myth of Jack not knowing any science. The Gibbons brothers came out of the era's boxing Mecca there style is the progenitor of modern "Textbook" boxing.
     
  8. HaglerwontHaggle

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    They get snoozed
     
  9. 70sFan865

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    I wouldn't be surprised if Gibbons beats Wilder.
     
  10. 70sFan865

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    The funniest thing is that you'd call Wilder a bum who would be worthless had he fought in the 1920s. He doesn't look good on the tape and he's not skilled even relatively to 1920s fighters.
     
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  11. MarkusFlorez99

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    That is very true but what he does have is an 83 inch reach, a height of 6'7, and a supersonic missile of a right hand capable of putting down significantly more skilled super heavyweights like nothing. The uncorrdinated big oafs, the LHWs and the cruiserweights do not stand a chance.
     
  12. 70sFan865

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    Fred Fulton has all of these as well, but you don't call him a monster.
     
  13. MarkusFlorez99

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    Oh so Fulton had a quick monster right hand and KO'd almost everybody he fought ?

    Nah, he was a chinny big guy and got KO'd by several sub 200 pounders. I've never seen him on film but i guarantee he was probably trash. I'll have to find some footage
     
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  14. 70sFan865

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    He had 75 KOs in 106 fights (85 wins), so I'm quite surprised that you question his power. He was known for a deadly right cross.
    He was stopped 9 times in 106 fights and four of these stoppages were against men clearly above 200 lbs (Wills, Morris, Palzer and Godfrey). The other times were against Dempsey, Miske and Renault who fought consistently above 200 lbs.
    So you haven't seen him at all, but you're sure he was a trash? Yeah, sounds like a very objective approach.
     
  15. MarkusFlorez99

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    Half of his opponents were tiny. Imagine if you put Wilder in with the LHWs of today because thats how big a lot of Fultons opponents were. 175-190lb fighters with a few 200 pound guys on that resume. Wilder would clean house and would beat them all inside 1 round. Fulton wouldn't do anything against somebody like Luis Ortiz. A decent southpaw SHW. The skill gap in insurmountable and Ortiz isn't even that good.