Wilder's future in boxing

Thats interesting but i somehow do not fully understand it . Honestly - who before that fight talked about parker ??? Nobody . In fact i would not rank him above helenius ...

Obviously i,m wrong after the fight but i still do not understand it :

was wilder that weak or parker that strong ???

 

Middleweight
Stretch was fun
Skilled but dìdnt like getting punched

 

But did he, really?

We've heard it from the rooftops that he did... But where's the evidence?

Significant power with very limited skills is a highly unusual combination to see in any top level fighter (in any division).
That's not saying it's impossible he was top level at his best, but it'd be very unusual if he was - which makes me want more evidence, not less...
And what we have is, well, basically nothing that suggests he was that level.

His best win remains 38 year old Ortiz, a guy with an unspecial amateur pedigree and a threadbare pro resume who was probably well past his best by the time he fought Wilder. Hardly a world level contender by that point, if he ever was - not great evidence, really, is it?

I have never thought Wilder would've beaten Joshua, Povetkin or Whyte and it didn't surprise me at all that Parker and Fury beat him.

Limited skills, good speed/reflex and significant power (though I would argue overrated - definitely not GOAT level).

Would Wilder even at his best have beaten Parker with this gameplan and execution?

No, it's a levels thing - even with a tiny bit more speed he wouldn't have found the KO punch because the openings weren't really there for it... Even with more snap on his jab it wouldn't have put Parker off his tactics - it's not as if Wilder at his best was any better at using it or at dictating pace.

To do better, Wilder would've needed to adapt to someone who had his number - prime or not, that's never been something he's been good at.

 

Parker in the heavies ranks higher than heinous
Levels dude

 

Simpler than that... Wilder was hideously overrated and Parker was slightly underrated.

It's normal - bigger punchers tend to get overrated, guys who have been known to fight cautiously tend to get underrated.

Plenty of fans just rate what they like.

 

I agree with all of this. The Fury trilogy changed Wilder mentally. He hasn't been the same and he likely never will. Being devoid of boxing fundamentals also means he has no foundation going forward to mount any sort of worthwhile comeback. He was a one trick pony who has since lost his one trick. He's spent. He used to say he wanted to go out on his shield. But given how clearly he was avoiding even interacting with parker for most of the fight, it seems like he wants nothing more than to run out of the ring with his millions of dollars and never come back.

 

I think Hopkins elbows and headbutting may of had something to do with it

 

I heard he was down for close to 20 seconds vs Scorniers and the footage was washed from the internet to hide it.

 

Look we all know you want to be touched by fury... Whatever floats your boat man.

 

Obviously.

So?

Would Wilder at his best have beaten that version of Parker? No way, IMHO.

This is what I'm talking about though...

There's limited evidence for this - yes, he's left a few guys badly hurt - BUT - there are no first rate chins on his KO list.. and there's a lot of very poor opponents, which makes it easier to commit to full power without getting punished for it.

There's been plenty of very hard punchers who got the job done without having to commit to their absolute maximum (because it's risky to do so - recovery time is longer and with guys who are big, heavy and bang hard that's not a good thing).

I don't doubt he hits very hard... But the idea that he's beyond all the heavy punchers of the past few decades is definitely going too far on the evidence we have, IMHO.

 

This. You can't say he would have beaten Parker in 2018 as his lack of apetite for competive opponents pre-Fury make him too tough to gauge.

Look at his non-mandatory title defences:
Molina
Duhaupas
Szpilka (or Peter Sterling for the Aussies and Kiwis out there)
Arreola
Gerald Washington
Ortiz (this step up is where his career started to unravel)

When you have a belt and choose those opponents while in your prime then you can't retrospectively say you would have beaten the elite competition xx years ago if only you'd fought them. The onus is on the title holder to get in the ring with that elite talent while in their prime.

 

What a surprise Wilders mythical prime happened to coincide to when he was facing Gerald Washington and Sea Lion Stiverne