Wilder's last 3 v Povetkin's last 3

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Many of the same people on this thread were defending Povetkin's defenses on another thread that I made -- this one came shortly after -- comparing Wilder's three title fights to Povetkin's WBA title run. They basically said, 'Well, it doesn't matter because it was only the WBA, the WBC is different so Wilder should be held to a higher standard."

    Same with Ruslan not making a single defense in his first year with the WBA strap and avoiding his mandatory (Lucas LOL Browne).

    Some such nonsense.

    I can understand the confusion if you didn't read the other thread, but many people posting on this one also posted on that one defending Povetkin's title reign.

    Part of my point is that those who think Wilder's title reign (i.e. two defenses) is a disgrace certainly weren't saying the same about Sasha when he was defending; the other part is that Povetkin's history makes it clear that he will be making the same kind of defenses if he does beat Wilder ... I'll bet Fujimoto and Bronko Billy Wright are first in line.
     
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  2. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    I won't say that posters are coming around. That would be assuming that I'm above anyone and I'm not. I think the last few posters in this thread know boxing and realize unwarranted criticism lol... Good job guys.
     
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  3. QuadrupleG

    QuadrupleG MAZAFAKA Full Member

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    Average boxrec rating of Povetkin's last 3 (before fighting him) was 350+. Wilder's: 270+. If we take the last two, then it will be 380 vs 170.
     
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  4. lucky luke

    lucky luke Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Alright! Yeah, these treads seem to pop up like mushrooms this week, can't follow them all!

    But I can't agree with WBA regular being of the same caliber as WBC. Klitschko where the only real WBA champ. I'm sure most fans and aspiring world champions would agree.
     
    lucky luke, Sep 30, 2015
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  5. Jake LaMotta

    Jake LaMotta Lights Out Full Member

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    Mike Perez would KO Wilder cold.
     
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  6. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Wow, where'd you get that from? I actually think Takam would have a decent chance against Wilder, but Perez? His biggest win was against Abdusalamov, whose best win was against Jameel McCline, who kd'd Abdusalamov before getting stopped. That should be especially bitter pill for the rapid Wilder haters, since they love to say Stiverne wasn't a top 5 opponent because Arreola wasn't top 10. Arreola destroyed a still very good contender in McCline, years before McCline nearly ko'd Abdusalamov. Uh oh, by your logic, (Perez, whose best win is Abdu, is a top contender) Wilder is by multiple levels an even better top contender who would destroy Perez!
     
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  7. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    First one sounds about right, Wilder's opp was about 80% of Povetkin's opp. Obviously boxrec isn't perfect but its a good indicator and that shows the opp was quite close. As far as the second one, well two can play at that game, if we take Wilder's last fight, and Wilder's fight three fights ago, and match them up against Povetkins (Duhaupas, Stiverne vs Perez and Charr) then we'd probably get about as big an imbalance on Wilder's behalf.
     
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  8. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Personally, I would cede that WBC is much higher quality. But I'd also say that this is a fairly minor point when looking at the huge praise Povetkin gets for his last three as opposed to Wilder over the same span when they are at a similar level. I'm really not a Wilder fan, just being objective here. Wilder may have a responsibility to face top fighters more than a contender like Povetkin, but that's mitigated by Povetkin's much lesser fight frequency, and the obvious incentive for Povetkin to get his rankings up before he gets too old to get another title shot.

    As another poster put it, I'd really just like to see less reflexive, irrational hate on these forums and more reasoned acknowledgement of the skill of all these boxers. You trash one fighter so bad, you'll never recognize their skills even when it becomes unavoidable. Most Wilder haters will probably find a new excuse if he does beat Povetkin, its crazy.
     
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