Wilder's next two: Chisora for IBF #1 & Usyk in '26

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  1. Ike

    Ike Member Full Member

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    I think Wilder would be knocked out by Chisora. The Englishman would also do well to retire, but at the moment a good brawler like Derek would be enough to knockout a very faded Wilder in my opinion.
     
  2. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And he was correct in doing so, which none of you ever like to admit.

    What you guys who LOVE to argue about the DAZN deal NEVER BRING UP is Deontay Wilder NEVER would've fought Anthony Joshua if he signed the DAZN deal, either.

    When would Joshua-Wilder have taken place? Name the date, in general terms?

    The DAZN deal was for three fights. Wilder would fight Breazeale first, which he did, then they'd TRY to make two Joshua fights. CORRECT?

    Well, Wilder fought Breazeale, and TWO WEEKS LATER, Joshua lost to Ruiz.

    So, instead of fighting Luis Ortiz in a rematch and making $10 milllion +, who is Wilder fighting if he signed the deal? It's NOT Joshua. He has no belts and he's enforcing his rematch clause with Ruiz.

    So, who would Wilder fight? NOBODY? SO WILDER SITS for the rest of 2019.

    Just Breazeale in 2019, nobody else.

    Then Joshua fought Ruiz in December ... so, who was Wilder fighting in 2020? Would the Joshua fight have happened then for all the belts? With WILDER ALREADY SITTING ON THE SIDELINES FOR A YEAR?

    Well, out of the blue, Covid shut everything down. RIGHT? Joshua's not fighting. Nobody is. Nobody could foresee that happening, but that's what happened.

    So practically the whole year Joshua sits on the sideline with his newly reclaimed belts. And, had he signed the DEAL, Wilder would've been off, too.

    No Ortiz rematch. No Fury rematch. (For which Wilder made upwards of $35 million combined for both fights. If he'd signed the DAZN deal, he'd have received nothing because he wouldn't have been fighting anyone.)

    And I'm sure you guys would've ALL LOVED THAT.

    So, when does the unification happen? They have to WAIT until they can get a big crowd in Wembley or someplace. Meantime, the WBA is pushing Joshua to make a mandatory, so he signs to fight Pulev in December 2020 and only a thousand people are allowed to sit there to watch it.

    Now Wilder's been on the shelf for more than a year and a half. Does he still have a belt? Or is the WBC and ESPN (who Fury had a contract with) demanding Wilder rematch their #1 contender Fury who fought Wilder to a draw and has been knocking people out for three years waiting for the rematch?

    But Wilder can't fight him, because he still has two fights remaining to face Joshua on his DAZN deal.

    Joshua isn't under a two-fight deal with DAZN just to fight Wilder. Only Wilder is bound to the ridiculous contract where he can only fight one guy.

    So Wilder loses out on the $25 plus million he also made for the third Fury fight, because that never would've happened, either. So now he's out $60+ million in money from Ortiz 2, Fury 2 and Fury 3 ... and there's still no Joshua fight.

    Because, in 2021, now Joshua is being told he has to fight his WBO mandatory Usyk or be stripped. So Joshua did, or he would've been stripped, and Joshua LOST to Usyk.

    THE TRUTH IS, Wilder made upwards of $70 million and the sport carried on BECAUSE HE DIDN'T sign the DAZN deal.

    BE SURE TO BRING THAT up next time you whine about Wilder not signing the DAZN deal.

    It was a gaudy sounding deal, but the truth is, it would've hampered who Wilder could've fought (because the money was so high) and it let Joshua free to fight whomever he wanted.

    Whyte and Ortiz both signed with Hearn for a time assuming they'd get a title shot with Joshua if they did. And they never did. Same thing would've happened to Wilder if he signed the DAZN deal, but he'd have been out a lot more money.

    Nobody could foresee Joshua losing in 2019 and 2021, or Covid wiping out most of the sport in 2020 ... but that's what happened.

    Wilder signing a DAZN deal in 2019 wouldn't have done anything but left Wilder on the sidelines.

    Wilder may have had two fewer losses, but he never would've seen that $100 million or fought Joshua, signed deal or not.
     
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  3. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Until/unless Wilder beats guys like Zhang and Parker, he should not even be considered for a title shot. The guy he beat last Saturday was AWFUL. Should not even be in the top 100 heavyweights. Probably couldn't beat any of the top 100 Cruiserweights. He literally brought nothing to the table to give Wilder pause.
     
  4. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Finally, some sanity in this thread. They're both shot to bits.

    I had to keep checking the date reading through all this. Yet another dejavu thread of Wilder being inline for the [insert org] final eliminator
     
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  5. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ancestral spirits!@!!
     
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  6. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Holy wall of text. An enormous rant that isnt remotely based in reality. The 3 fight deal was for Brezeale and then AJ and AJ rematch. It was that simple.

    Get your pompoms out tho...we all know what kind of fan you are
     
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  7. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    In fairness, on the vast majority of topics not involving DW, he's rock solid... Just can't let go of the narratives on the bronze fraud.
     
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  8. Arch Stanton

    Arch Stanton When you have to shoot, shoot!, don't talk...... Full Member

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    ^ Still this.


    And Chisora will be the man to rubber stamp it and finish Wilder's career( which is hanging by a bloody thread) once and for all.

    :deal:
     
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  9. Drstillhammer

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    He should have accepted the offer from Fury to take the belts home, and stay home. Poor Deontay is becoming a journeyman, i always had a good laugh about the guy but seeing a proud man not just humbled, but becoming a Shell of who he was and selling his dignity allong the way…… just a bit sad.
     
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  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I said he had a three fight deal, one fight with Breazeale and two with Joshua.

    I also asked when were they going to fight since Joshua lost two weeks after Wilder beat Breazeale? (You guys always leave that out.) Joshua exercised his rematch clause with Ruiz. So they weren't going to fight in 2019. (You guys always leave that out, as well.)

    They couldn't fight in 2020 because they weren't going to stage that fight in front of 1,000 people during Covid. (Which is also never mentioned.)

    And Joshua lost again in 2021 to Usyk and hasn't been the champ since.

    Even if he signed the DAZN deal, they wouldn't have fought. And Wilder would've been on the shelf until he WBC stripped him for sitting out for years.

    It was a gaudy deal. But losses and Covid all but guaranteed it never would've happened anyway. How many years would Wilder have had to sit for the second and third fights on that deal to play out, had he signed?
     
  11. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There's no way of knowing. Maybe AJ beats Ruiz in fight 1 if DW signs, maybe he wouldve been better focused. Maybe DW tears a ligament against Brezeale, maybe one of em is in a car accident, maybe DW gets shot for sleeping w his brother's wife, etc. Any number of things couldve happened because everything affects everything.

    The point is - Deontay didnt sign to fight AJ. Instead, he "bet on himself" and had an unsuccessful cherrypick in Fury which ruined him...although it appears he was more bark than bite all along.

    DW was a fun fighter. In a 1 belt era he would never have been champion. He was in some entertaining fights and always wouldve been, but he would've been nothing more than a peg on a ladder versus ATG HWs. Fury and Usyk, however, would beat some ATG HWs because they are of that cloth. DW had the chance to demonstrate he was that good and it probably never wouldve happened against Fury or Usyk, but him beating undefeated AJ couldve gone a long way...oh well.
     
  12. Murderers' Row

    Murderers' Row Boxing Addict Full Member

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    @Dubblechin

    Why are you always so insufferable when it comes to discussing Wilder?

    @like a boss

    Just take the L.
     
  13. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have no idea whatsoever who you even are and l prefer it that way. Stay irrelevant.
     
  14. Murderers' Row

    Murderers' Row Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ''IYO'' or did it take years and years of negotiating to figure this one out?
     
  15. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hilarious. Hey, if Wilder had signed to fight Joshua, maybe the Covid pandemic wouldn't have happened, either, and they would've gotten the last two fights on the deal in as well. :ohno

    It was a gaudy offer. But Joshua lost two weeks after Wilder wasted Breazeale. Then Covid happened in 2020.

    It was never going to happen, signed deal or not. Get over it.
     
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