Wilders pre title competition is underrated

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  1. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The problem with this is many hard hitting HWs have tried to play that game and none played it as well. Most one tool guys do not get far as Wilder but we don't deny they can hit hard. If Wilders was just another guy with a killer right he would have not have gotten as far as he did.
     
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  2. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Based on what, though? You can have an opinion about anything---it's your right. But what hard chin did he take out? Don't even say Ortiz...what big punch previously tested him?

    Even the mediocrities with decent chins like Duhaupas and Washington finished on their feet.

    Wilder is a good puncher. The 'ardest pooncher it boxing myth is all spin.
     
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    PMSL. Very good sir.
     
  4. The Cryptkeeper

    The Cryptkeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Proof that opinions can be wrong.
     
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  6. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Perhaps...

    Or perhaps he was just that well managed and protected, by both his own team and for the most part by the WBC as well.

    He got lucky by not having to fight Povetkin, he got lucky with preferential treatment against Ortiz first time around, he got lucky with the corrupt card in the first Fury fight... It's not like you could easily construct that kind of run without luck, complicity or both.

    Yes, there's real power, but that alone doesn't usually lead to such long unbeaten runs... Most fighters and their managers will get bored of beating on journeymen that long and take risks trying to improve the cash they're getting.
     
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  7. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In terms of knocking out every single opponent in 5 rounds. He was protected by the WBC as a champion. If Wilder doesn't win a belt or gets his belt for beating Ortiz and he knocks out all the same fighters people would have no problem respecting his power like a Bruno or Shavers or someone like that who hit really hard. Those guys like Vitalis opponents weren't terrible they just weren't title worthy opponents.

    The current sport is built around doing what Wilders team did and parlaying that for oppurtunitys. The difference is Wilder got to fight Stiverne for a title shot because the WBC in the 2010s treated its HW belt like a joke.

    Wilder scored 2 KDs in the first Fury fight. A fighter really can't cry robbery if you got knocked down twice, didn't return the favor and didn't even lose. Yes the 115-111 card for Wilder was highly questionable but if you replace that card with a normal one Fury was still lucky not to lose.

    Wilders managers like all others were steering their fighter towards oppurtunities. The beating up journeyman is to get oppurtunities. If the WBC wanted to let their fighter fight Stiverne for a belt then defend against Vitali caliber opponents then make the worst HW champ ever a mandatory(lol) thats not really on Wilder.

    Theres also the whole Fury situation. Both Wilder and Joshua were waiting on Fury to either return or be gone long enough so a Wilder v Joshua fight could be made for lineal and they were going out of their way to avoid losses. Once Fury returned you'll notice Wilders SOS dramatically improved. All the Wilders joke defenses(5 or 6) were done before Furys return. Then he went Ortiz, Fury, Breazeale, Ortiz which was an actual title worthy run for 3 defenses.
     
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  8. Ice8Cold

    Ice8Cold Still raging that we didnt see Bowe V Lewis Full Member

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    Not denying Wilder's power was ridiculous, but his opposition was very soft especially for someone who somehow has ten title defences.

    I do think Ortiz was actually a good fighter but honestly the rest of Wilder's record was very poor for a champion. Like its not a great look for someone with Wilder's reputation to some that Stiverne was his second best win. However, I think Wilder in his prime was capable of beating better fighters than he had done so in bloody Molina, Washington, Breazeale. But, its Wilder's own fault for ducking better fighters such as Whyte who was his mandatory for years, and possibly AJ but I thought AJ also fumbled to some extent in negotiations but they still should have fought in their undefeated primes.

    Also not a good look in terms of when Wilder wanted to fight Fury after his long lay off considering people suspected Wilder was being protected. Like it was pretty obvious they saw Fury as a easy win because he was rusty.
     
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  9. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No arguments there. I've said it many times if we take away 7 of Wilders defenses he actually looks much better. We're really going after him because the 10 defenses and how absurb they are.

    Stiverne was not his 2nd best win. I don't know how people put Stiverne over Breazeale, Malik Scott, Audley Harrison and even Liakovich. Washington was better too. Duhaupus was the Euro champ.thats actually the most "normal" defense of that first batch. Stiverne makes Wilders qualifications look like Harry Grebs. There are quite literally 100s and possibly thousands of HWs(I'm being serious) who could have won the belt in Stivernes situation.

    Fury was also the lineal champ. If Fury never returned then they would have made AJ v Wilder for lineal.

    I'm not going to hold not fighting Whyte against someone. Hes not that guy. Better than all his opponents except Ortiz but I'm not going to lose sleep over that one. Joshua and Fury fought Whyte for a reason.
     
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  11. mrbigshot

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    he has defended in 48 hw fights the world title 10 times against no1 contenders at that time . Where has he ducked ?
     
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  12. BubblesUK

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    Cmon, besides Fury #1 he's got no successful defences against legit contenders...
    And that was a borderline robbery despite the two KD rounds.
    Fury was rusty, unfit and badly gassed by the time he got KD'd - and still should've won (to be clear, a draw card was just about justifiable, but anything in Wilders favour wasn't).

    Ortiz was always massively overhyped (still an okay win for a title bout, but not special enough to hang your resume on) and every other defence was against mediocre gatekeeper level or journeyman fighters.

    He clearly ducked both Whyte and Joshua, who were both begging him to fight, too.

    Wilders resume is absolutely horrible for an ex-champion.
     
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  13. mrbigshot

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    I agree that this era was not very strong , but he nevertheless defended his titles against the contenders nominated / available . Blame him that there were no better guys in the division ?
     
  14. BubblesUK

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    You don't seriously think that Wilder defended against the best guys (plural) available?

    Fury, in the second fight? Yes, absolutely.

    Otherwise? Not remotely close...
     
  15. mrbigshot

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    How did he cherry picked an opponent for a title defence which includes a mandatory contender ?

    Who was e.g better than nominated chris arreola on 16.07.2016 ?

    I ask seriously without defending wilder here but do not fully get it .