Wilder's resume

I agru3 Chisora prime was when he took his training and nutrition serious when be came a born again Christian. Chisora experienced all his best peformances after this and and Indian summer to his career. That said I thought Parker deserved the win.

No shame to Povetkin losing to Wlad (also wlad should have been warned about elbows and holding ). Still had one best resumes in the divison coming his career best win.

 

I’m looking forward to the next stand up comedy list of excuses from Deontay Wilder, his brother and his team!
The first lot were hilarious and just when you thought they’d exhausted the supply of ridiculous reasons to lose a fight they came up with more, it was side splittingly entertaining

I’d love to see a definitive list but from memory
Broke his arm in training
Costume was too heavy
The lasers in the eyes of the headgear damaged his vision
The crown was heavy and affected his neck muscles
Fury put something inside his glove
Mark Breland betrayed him
Fury tampered with the padding inside his gloves
Someone spiked his water
Jay Deas let him down
He tore a bicep
Kenny Baylis was biased
Fury dented his skull
The ring walk was too far

Ha Ha

 

Pulev fought like an idiot, completely ignoring any semblance of defence, which led to him getting repeatedly clipped and dropped by the same left hook. Joshua blew his load trying to get Wlad out of there after that early knockdown and got clipped as a result. Jennings fought far more conservatively with a watertight high guard that never really gave him a chance in the fight but ensured he took little damage. It's not the first time a lower level guy has fought like that and made a better fighter look bad. Do you give Wach more credit for lasting the distance than Pulev or Byrd or Chagaev, who were all stopped?

I don't deny Ortiz's win over him was a good one, but like I repeatedly iterated it's his only good win. And it's from half a decade ago. That means it doesn't just need to be a good win, it needs to be an epic win on a prime Holyfield, prime Louis level, and it's not. Had he got a couple more comparable wins like that under his belt he'd have a much greater claim be what his fans paint him as. Compare his performances against lesser guys all you like but that's arguing over chickenfeed frankly, and doesn't bolster your argument any.

 

It's possible. Styles do make fights, as much as I hate that phrase. But you're claiming Duhaupas had an easy night's work with Duhaupas. He didn't. He needed to work for every round, and early on had real problems penetrating Duhaupas high guard and getting pushed back by his jab. He pulled away by about the mid point, but those early rounds were close and messy, and an argument could easily be made that he dropped them on the scorecards.

Have you seen the Charr fight? It wasn't massively convincing, and I had it running real close.

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Also seen this fight? You're into comparing performances so answer me why Wilder couldn't do what a nondescript CW did in dropping Duhaupas?

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It's not bizarre because it's what happened. Wilder didn't out box Duhaupas. He upped his workrate and urgency and Duhaupas wasn't able to compete. Which rounds can I give the Frenchman? Couple of the early ones where Wilder did nothing but hit gloves.

Duhaupas's lost to Pianeta and Erkan Teper, dropped by a CW. Ruiz has lost to Joshua and a razor sharp fight with a prime Parker. Not much of an argument there.

Stiverne? Outboxed by Ray Austin till he bailed himself out with a KO, knocked out by complete nobody Demetrice King, whom even an ancient and shot Tua managed to beat. Dropped by Derrick Rossy (even Audley KOed that guy!) and the less said about his post Wilder performances the better.

None of the fighters you've mentioned are immune to the type of comparative muckraking you're putting them through, but Ruiz at least comes out smelling a lot sweeter than the other two.

Joshua's punch resistance is as good as Wilder's IMO, though Wilder seems to have slightly better powers of recovery. Speed is about the same really, maybe a slight edge to Wilder, but his crap technique negates it as an advantage in most cases. Power? Wilder's more likely to sell out on his right hand, but his other punches are garbage in comparison. Joshua can hurt with either hand and with almost any shot. Far superior combination puncher as well, which is a lot more devastating as Molina found out. The main difference is that as Joshua has evolved he's no longer relentlessly focused on getting the KO. It's much more about controlling the overall shape of the fight. Wilder, being totally limited, has never bothered to evolve his game. Even do he failed to drop Stiverne the first time (King stopped him already), took nine to stop Molina (stopped in three by Joshua) and couldn't even drop Duhaupas (CW Bikoi did). If Wilder has any qualities over Joshua they don't outweigh his weaknesses.

Yes, agreed on the recovery aspect. Although we only really have the Ortiz fight here to go on. That's the issue really. Wilder has fought such limited guys that the dataset isn't that useful as a gauge. Joshua's fought far more high quality opponents that he was bound to come a cropper at some point. Same might have happened to Wilder had he not hidden behind his belt fighting no hopers all these years. We just don't know.

Does Ruiz do the job on Wilder? Again it's hard to know. I used to think he would, but now I'm vacillating. It's not a matter of Ruiz being so much shorter and stubbier than Wilder. Wilder doesn't really use his height and reach in the best way anyway, and Ruiz is quite proficient at parrying shots at range. As for Wilder doing anything that diverts from his regular gameplan, that's a laugh. If the fight closes on the inside Wilder won't know what to do. It's still a fifty fifty, dependent on how each fighter performs in their next fights (providing Ruiz's is against decent opposition).

The top ten is poor at this stage. I have a ton of guys I'd favour over Wilder as well. Makhmudov would batter him for instance. What matters though is where they're at at this current stage, not who would hypothetically beat them. That's a mug's game.

No, he lost because he was hurt enough for the ref to step in and stop it. Weak stoppage maybe, but whenever a fighter gets buzzed and starts taking unanswered shots that's giving the ref an opportunity to step in. Duhaupas stoppage against DW wasn't massively convincing either., if you're judging by the same metric.

 

No it's not debatable. Not going to bother to go into the reasons why. Just to clarify though, I also disregard Wilder's bum bashing tour pre Stiverne. It's almost purely on title defences I rate his resume.

Usyk even at this stage is a beast, and any form of win over him barring a blatant robbery cannot be dismissed. If he loses though it definitely alters the landscape and any predictions re: future fights.

But AJ losing to Dubois? Come on man, let's keep this in the realms of the possible.

 

Well, he's scheduled to fight Wallin now, the man that should hold an official TKO over Fury. Not bad going really.

 

Obviously the cut has to occur first before Wallin has such a chance to use dirty tactics

So as big as a Fury fan as i can be, nobody could argue if that was stopped due to the nature of that cut