Wilders run as WBC champ. is better than..

Yes Povetkin reign as WBA champion was terrible but then he didn't have a real world title just a mickey mouse title that had no real value other than securing him a mandatory shot.

Stiverne was WBC silver heavyweight champion are we now counting that as a genuine title reign with defences against Willie Herring and Arreola?

How about Chagaev as WBA regular champion, fact is when people talk unification nobody mentions him. If Wilder unifies all the titles bar the WBA regular title is he still unified champion? I'd assume not as we are legitimising the WBA regular title for the purposes of this thread.

 

No one took that wba paper belt seriously. As far as any knowledgeable fan is concerned, there was only one wba champ and that was Wlad.

 

Yeah I think both beat him at that point


Mercer was old and passed it but his jab was still good enough to give Wlad some trouble. Duhaupas busted Wilder up with his jab, Molina hurt Wilder with a left hook. Old but game Mercer dissects him with the jab until the KO follows. Botha would tie Wilder up and beat him up on the inside.

 

You guys know absolutely nothing about the sport of boxing,

The fact that you typed those words proves you clearly don't.:-(

 

This. End thread

 

Elaborate. Otherwise you just come across as a butthurt fanboy. Fact is Wilder hasn't faced anyone who brings what Botha or an old Mercer brings to the table. They would have both seriously troubled if not beaten him.

 

Oh please. Alexander Povetkin is going to be 37 years old in about a month.

What are the "big" wins in this aging fighter's career that "embarrass" Wilder? Seriously? Who are these amazing heavyweight he beat that were so much better than Wilder's competition.

The guy won an Olympic Medal because his opponent didn't show up. He won a WBA "regular" title and was humiliated when he actually fought Wlad for the actual title. (And that was after he backed out of two purse bids because he didn't think he'd win - and rightfully so.)

He was supposed to fight Wilder, and he pushed that fight back for close to a year and then got caught taking banned drugs.

Nobody rates Povetkin but the WBC. He's a nearly 40 year-old, pill-popping joke who fought 40 year old has-beens during his prime because he was afraid he'd lose (to Wlad and Vitali). And now he's at the end of his career - filled with nothing wins - and he's trying to cheat to stay in the game.

Only his lawsuit has prevented the WBC from dropping Povetkin, too.

Povetkin is arguably the most overhyped boxer on this entire board - and that's saying something.

I doubt they will, but I hope the WBC matches Povetkin versus Pulev or Duhaupas in a final eliminator to meet Wilder when he returns in January.

Duhaupas would smash him at this point like he just did to Helenius.

Or just let Wilder destroy Povetkin when Wilder comes back. Povetkin has never wanted to fight Wilder.

 

atsch

 

Botha or Mercer? Are you high? Were you even a boxing fan when Botha fought Shulz?

Mercer didn't bring anything to the table when he fought Wlad. Mercer was a 40-something guy coming out of retirement who beat a couple of fat guys on cable and Wlad signed him because he was a name.

Hell, Larry Holmes beat Mercer with just a jab before Mercer got old. Mercer isn't outjabbing Wilder.

And Botha ... :roll:

Jesus. Who did he beat EVER? Ever?

 

Also why would Pulev/Povetkin be a final elimator you idiot? Povetkin is already his mandatory. If anything a fight like that would have to be for the interim title. Wilder can't face voluntaries for the better part of 2 years then sit on his ass for another 6 month.

I'm all for that fight though. Good solid competitive HW fight between two top 10s. Can't say the same about any of Wilders farcical defenses.

 

Who did the 37-year-old Povetkin beat again that makes Wilder's career an embarrassment?

Was it that guy Povetkin beat for Olympic gold? Oh right, he never fought anyone for the gold.

Was it Klitschko, who he beat for the title? Oh right, he never beat Klitschko for the title. Klitschko destroyed him after Povetkin backed out of their first two purse bids because his own team thought he'd lose. (And when they did fight, Povetkin was on his knees more than the last year's AVN winners.)

Was it when he beat Wilder for the WBC title? Oh right, he took banned drugs to try to remain competitive against Wilder and now nobody rates Povetkin at all - but the WBC, because they're being sued ... which is one way to get a last payday ... from his lawsuit,

That Povetkin is a real world-beater.

 

Alright so you didn't elaborate AT ALL = Butthurt fanboy

Botha beat Schultz a good HW but got popped for roids.
Gave Moorer all he could handle, was robbed of a win against a prime Briggs, also gave Iron Mike some real problems in the late 90s when he was still good. In fact he was ahead when he was stopped.

Botha was a really good pressure fighter. He wasn't the biggest puncher but he would have been on Wilders chest all night beating him down, tiring him out and smothering his work.

Mercer old when Holmes beat him? Your knowledge of boxng history is way off, I guess you just glanced at wiki. That was Mercer in his PRIME and he wasn't old, he was in his early 30s atsch

He was just coming off beating Morrison, and went on to give Lewis one of the toughest fights of his career.

Mercer was old and passed it when he fought Wlad yes, but he definitely still had a little in the tank. Jab was still there and he was still able to trouble Wlad with it for a couple of rounds. Wlad is an ATG HW who's proven himself over a period of nearly 2 decades. Who is Wilder?

 

Well, idiot, since you clearly just started following boxing.

The WBC announced after Povetkin decided he didn't want to fight Wilder and he wanted a tuneup with Wach ... and Wilder then asked the WBC that he be allowed a defense in January so he wouldn't have to be idle ... that they (the WBC) would allow Povetkin to fight Wach and Wilder to fight someone in January ... but if either (Povetkin or Wilder) was hurt ... they (the WBC) would stage an interim match between the guy who wasn't hurt and their Silver champ.

Johann Duhaupas is now the WBC Silver champion (having knocked out Helenius). Povetkin was the mandatory before he tested positive. Wilder just got hurt fighting Arreola, after Povetkin failed his drug test.

Since the WBC doesn't like missing out on sanctioning fees, expect them to announce a Povetkin-Duhaupas fight either as a final eliminator or an interim title fight this fall. (I threw Pulev in their because he's rated just above Duhaupas, but it sounds like Pulev might get an IBF fight.)

And, should it take place this fall, expect Povetkin to get knocked out.

 

You can't read, either, apparently. I said Holmes beat Mercer with just a jab before Mercer got old. Not when Mercer was old.

And you listed a bunch of fights Botha lost. Who did Botha beat? NOBODY.

And Mercer and Botha had both seen way better days when Wlad fought them.

Claiming a 40-something Ray Mercer and a guy who never beat anyone in Botha would beat Wilder just shows you have no freaking clue about the sport.

 

Povetkin/Pulev for an interim would be great. A true legitimate champion would be crowned from that fight, the fans get a fight between 2 legit top 10 operators.. Also there would be a massive public outcry if the Bronze Bum took on another voluntary defense when there was an interim champion.

Yeah Wilder beat him and you need to defend Wilders resume at all costs means in your brain that he has to beat Povetkin. Talk about delusional... atsch