Wilders stock in AJ fight

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  1. ArseBandit

    ArseBandit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ignoring that the fight was scored a draw, how do you think the fight has damaged Wilders cards for negotiating a potential AJ fight?

    I think Wilder took this fight as he reckoned the Fury fight would have been a relatively easy win given the shape of Fury over the last few years, and would greatly strengthen his hand at the negotiation table with AJ and Eddie. I like Wilder and don't give a **** that he didn't admit defeat in the after fight interview. What boxer has ever done that?

    Choosing the lower paying Fury fight has weakened his hand greatly I feel. The aura that comes with being an undefeated, monster hitting heavyweight that made him vs AJ so intriguing has gone, and he was shown to be a bit of a one trick Pony. Hearn will know this and since he brings nothing other than the belt to the table I can't see him being able to negotiate much with AJ and Hearn for the fight.

    He doesn't have a large fan base to draw in the Americans, I expect that although tonight's fight will go down as a classic that the PPVs numbers will be relatively low so he won't be able to claim to be a PPV draw. What other cards does Wilder have to demand more than the 25% or fixed fee that Hearn usually pays out?

    As far as Hearns concerned the fight has lost some of it's shine/marketability since Wilder has lost that aura as an explosive monster that is a bit of a toss up with Joshua, and I don't think he'll have this come out of his pocket.

    It's a fight I still really want to see, a fight I would be supporting Wilder in and a fight fight I feel Wilder has a good chance of winning, but Wilder has lost his hand tonight to negotiate a big split. Hearn will know this and Hearns a shrewd business man, can see him lowballing Wilder big time.

    I think Hearn will want this fight now all the same, there's good money to be made there before risking the Fury fight.

    Shame really as I'd really like to see Wilder get the big pay day. I personally don't get the hate. He's got a big mouth persona but seems like a good guy underneath all the bull**** to me, but I reckon he's potentially lost millions tonight.
     
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  2. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    Forget what happened in the ring, Wilders stock wont go down in regards to that. It only goes up or down on the financials of how well this fight did. That was the whole point of this exercise. Most of us expected him to win, he didnt but he didnt lose, most of us expected for Fury to make Deontay look real average at times, that happened. It wasnt an exposure of Deontay in any way. Hes not a great Boxer but he is is a great puncher.
     
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  3. ArseBandit

    ArseBandit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I disagree that it doesn't matter, I think it's taken some of the shine off the fight that came with it being two undefeated heavyweight champions. It's damaged Wilders marketability, Wilder only didn't lose on paper. The UK fans that Edddie markets to will be well aware of the fight tonight and what heppened. Wilders biggest asset in negotiations was the aura of being an undefeated knockout artist that was a bit of a toss up with Joshua- that's what made this fight stand out over Joshuas other potential fights.

    Holding the lineal title I'd argue would have been a big card to hold at the negotiation table, and the reason I think Wilder wanted Fury first.

    The reputation he held is damaged and Hearn knows this. He's shrewd as **** and I can't see him offering Wilder what he was offered before.

    And agreed he is still a monster puncher, a bit of a one trick pony (I know many have said this for years, but Fury proved it)

    Joshua can fight anyone and draw in a crowd.
     
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  4. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He should go for that AJ fight now before rematching Fury in my opinion.

    If he fights a more sharper Fury, he loses next time around and no judges and commission (who wanted to fix a rematch) will be able to save him. He might as well play his hand now against Matchroom and swing for more money.

    I also think he has a good chance against Joshua, only because he carries his power late and has good endurance and athleticism so he can capitalise on Joshua's lack of movement and lack of agility. He then comes back to rematch Fury for a mega mega money fight.


    Heck, if Fury/Wilder don't force their rematch, both should go for AJ next. It's a winnable fight for them both and the rematch is always there.

    I think Fury can beat both Joshua and Wilder based on what I saw last night.
     
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  5. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    Obviously if there's some terrible financial results that would damage him, but today as things stand I think he's come out stronger. In fact it's one of those rare fights where I think both men have come out stronger. Obviously Fury more so given where he's come from. Not only did he survive, he almost got a decision in a US arena when very few thought that possible.

    As for Wilder, this is easily the biggest fight he's ever been involved in. He's held his own in the promotion, did some good/fun interviews and there'll be enough clips from this fight to sell his big hitting prowess some more even if Fury rose from the canvas. The most important thing is that there will be interest in a rematch, which gives him an alternative big earner if the AJ offer isn't sufficiently sweet.
     
  6. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wilder has no stock, he has a belt, that's all, he has a belt, just a belt.

    Wilder was made to look turd.. AGAIN. Wilder isn't worth a toss, gifted a draw in his own backyard.

    But I do owe Fury a huge apology, I thought he was too far gone, I thought he had done himself too much damage but Fury still had enough left to better that sack of crap Wilder.

    Wilder hasn't got the nuts to rematch Fury in the UK, no way, Fury will be better than he was tonight with another camp and more time, Wilder will go and fight Breazeale and old man Ortiz again.

    Wilder is freezing Whyte out, he will freeze Fury out, Wilder will carry on screaming and shouting about AJ but stay in the safety of the US beating up bums.

    The majority of Wilder fans should log out and do one.
     
  7. Mr Icaman

    Mr Icaman 32-0 WBC Champ, Ring + Lineal HW Champ Full Member

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    In all honestly the result has hurt that fight a bit because it was always supposed to be about working out the no 1..

    Now u have Fury in the back ground with a "slice of the pie" so to speak..
     
  8. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Absolutely no chance whatsoever of AJ ever going to the USA now after that. Also recall the GGG vs Clenelo and Ward vs Kovalev recent embarrassments.

    No fighter who is the bigger draw is ever going to fight in the USA again, and AJ is the bigger draw.

    Wilder will have to come to the UK for this fight if he wants it.
     
  9. ArseBandit

    ArseBandit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A fair point. I'm not sure Fury is all that interested in the Wilder rematch though judging by the post fight interview. I think he'll be chasing the AJ fight.

    I also think AJ and Hearn won't go near Fury yet. They'll want Wilder first as the more winnable, yet still highly marketable fight.

    However I don't think Eddie will want to pay out big,he can still spin Whyte 2 just as well as the Wilder fight. AJ sells vs anyone, why pay out big when Wilder already will be thought of as damaged goods? I dunno, I just think he's shrewd as ****. Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

    Wilder has made me a fan all the same. Hope you're right, it's a fight I really want to see.
     
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  10. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    The lack of a decisive result does add to the uncertainty but long term it makes the division more interesting. An AJ Wilder fight would still be huge, 4 belts etc. Fury fighting the winner could be even bigger. Either AJ the man who took his belts or Wilder who took a home town decision against him. Fury put himself right back in the picture with that performance.
     
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  11. ArseBandit

    ArseBandit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd say he established himself as #1 in the division and let people know that he still deserves to hold the lineal heavyweight title.

    When he wasn't clowning about or acting the dick he looked better than ever.
     
  12. bladesman

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    Totally 100% depends on the ppv buys. He could have stunk the place out for 12 rounds and Fury's leg breaks but all that matters in the money and the belt.

    I wouldn't be shocked if it happens before he rematches Fury.
     
  13. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    Boxing should put america into exile
     
  14. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    I never bought the argument that last night's fight would establish the number one on account of there being, in my view, a clear number one already, based on multiple performances over the last few years and he wasn't in that ring last night.
     
  15. Aston Villa

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