Wilders stock in AJ fight

SambaKing1993 · Dec 2, 2018

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Wilder has no stock, he has a belt, that's all, he has a belt, just a belt.

Wilder was made to look turd.. AGAIN. Wilder isn't worth a toss, gifted a draw in his own backyard.

But I do owe Fury a huge apology, I thought he was too far gone, I thought he had done himself too much damage but Fury still had enough left to better that sack of crap Wilder.

Wilder hasn't got the nuts to rematch Fury in the UK, no way, Fury will be better than he was tonight with another camp and more time, Wilder will go and fight Breazeale and old man Ortiz again.

Wilder is freezing Whyte out, he will freeze Fury out, Wilder will carry on screaming and shouting about AJ but stay in the safety of the US beating up bums.

The majority of Wilder fans should log out and do one.
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Raging lololol

ArseBandit · Dec 2, 2018

Holler said: ↑

I never bought the argument that last night's fight would establish the number one on account of there being, in my view, a clear number one already, based on multiple performances over the last few years and he wasn't in that ring last night.
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I feel Fury had already established himself as #1 when he beat Wlad, and just established that he still had it and deserved that spot last night. Until someone takes it from him, or does something clear enough to knock him off I'll keep him at number 1. Last night along with the rest of career and being the lineal champ establishes him at the top. He's more proven than Joshua and has also faired better H2H imo.

Each to there own though, I'm fine with people disagreeing and not having a number 1 at HW, or even ranking AJ above him. Each to there own, it's all opinion right?

james4210 · Dec 2, 2018

ArseBandit said: ↑

Ignoring that the fight was scored a draw, how do you think the fight has damaged Wilders cards for negotiating a potential AJ fight?

I think Wilder took this fight as he reckoned the Fury fight would have been a relatively easy win given the shape of Fury over the last few years, and would greatly strengthen his hand at the negotiation table with AJ and Eddie. I like Wilder and don't give a **** that he didn't admit defeat in the after fight interview. What boxer has ever done that?

Choosing the lower paying Fury fight has weakened his hand greatly I feel. The aura that comes with being an undefeated, monster hitting heavyweight that made him vs AJ so intriguing has gone, and he was shown to be a bit of a one trick Pony. Hearn will know this and since he brings nothing other than the belt to the table I can't see him being able to negotiate much with AJ and Hearn for the fight.

He doesn't have a large fan base to draw in the Americans, I expect that although tonight's fight will go down as a classic that the PPVs numbers will be relatively low so he won't be able to claim to be a PPV draw. What other cards does Wilder have to demand more than the 25% or fixed fee that Hearn usually pays out?

As far as Hearns concerned the fight has lost some of it's shine/marketability since Wilder has lost that aura as an explosive monster that is a bit of a toss up with Joshua, and I don't think he'll have this come out of his pocket.

It's a fight I still really want to see, a fight I would be supporting Wilder in and a fight fight I feel Wilder has a good chance of winning, but Wilder has lost his hand tonight to negotiate a big split. Hearn will know this and Hearns a shrewd business man, can see him lowballing Wilder big time.

I think Hearn will want this fight now all the same, there's good money to be made there before risking the Fury fight.

Shame really as I'd really like to see Wilder get the big pay day. I personally don't get the hate. He's got a big mouth persona but seems like a good guy underneath all the bull**** to me, but I reckon he's potentially lost millions tonight.
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ArseBandit said: ↑

Ignoring that the fight was scored a draw, how do you think the fight has damaged Wilders cards for negotiating a potential AJ fight?

I think Wilder took this fight as he reckoned the Fury fight would have been a relatively easy win given the shape of Fury over the last few years, and would greatly strengthen his hand at the negotiation table with AJ and Eddie. I like Wilder and don't give a **** that he didn't admit defeat in the after fight interview. What boxer has ever done that?

Choosing the lower paying Fury fight has weakened his hand greatly I feel. The aura that comes with being an undefeated, monster hitting heavyweight that made him vs AJ so intriguing has gone, and he was shown to be a bit of a one trick Pony. Hearn will know this and since he brings nothing other than the belt to the table I can't see him being able to negotiate much with AJ and Hearn for the fight.

He doesn't have a large fan base to draw in the Americans, I expect that although tonight's fight will go down as a classic that the PPVs numbers will be relatively low so he won't be able to claim to be a PPV draw. What other cards does Wilder have to demand more than the 25% or fixed fee that Hearn usually pays out?

As far as Hearns concerned the fight has lost some of it's shine/marketability since Wilder has lost that aura as an explosive monster that is a bit of a toss up with Joshua, and I don't think he'll have this come out of his pocket.

It's a fight I still really want to see, a fight I would be supporting Wilder in and a fight fight I feel Wilder has a good chance of winning, but Wilder has lost his hand tonight to negotiate a big split. Hearn will know this and Hearns a shrewd business man, can see him lowballing Wilder big time.

I think Hearn will want this fight now all the same, there's good money to be made there before risking the Fury fight.

Shame really as I'd really like to see Wilder get the big pay day. I personally don't get the hate. He's got a big mouth persona but seems like a good guy underneath all the bull**** to me, but I reckon he's potentially lost millions tonight.
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I know boxing is all rather corrupt but you can't have a situation where a champion AJ, never fights anyone dangerous because he can claim they don't put enough bums on seats otherwise boxing is just a Private travelling tent show operation.

Even the worst boxing organisations have mandatory challengers. AJ can't spend his whole career hiding behind the skirts of this excuse of "oh he's not popular. Can you imagine any other sport operating like this?

But it is a free country, Let AJ exist in his own bubble if he wants , maybe he can fight Chisora or some short tubby heavyweight from Europe , to keep his Instagram fans happy , let the real men fight each other for the greatest honour and glory in the sport.

james4210 · Dec 2, 2018

ArseBandit said: ↑

A fair point. I'm not sure Fury is all that interested in the Wilder rematch though judging by the post fight interview. I think he'll be chasing the AJ fight.

I also think AJ and Hearn won't go near Fury yet. They'll want Wilder first as the more winnable, yet still highly marketable fight.

However I don't think Eddie will want to pay out big,he can still spin Whyte 2 just as well as the Wilder fight. AJ sells vs anyone, why pay out big when Wilder already will be thought of as damaged goods? I dunno, I just think he's shrewd as ****. Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

Wilder has made me a fan all the same. Hope you're right, it's a fight I really want to see.
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If I was AJ I would prefer the Tyson fight because if he loses he basically gets outpointed, But if he loses to Wilder he's liable to get spark out. AJ is a little bit musclebound I see aj having a real problem with Wilder's speed.

cableguy · Dec 2, 2018

Wilders stock remains the same.
Fury's stock rose incredibly.
America's stock dropped like a brick in water.

blackbolt396 · Dec 2, 2018

ArseBandit said: ↑

A fair point. I'm not sure Fury is all that interested in the Wilder rematch though judging by the post fight interview. I think he'll be chasing the AJ fight.

I also think AJ and Hearn won't go near Fury yet. They'll want Wilder first as the more winnable, yet still highly marketable fight.

However I don't think Eddie will want to pay out big,he can still spin Whyte 2 just as well as the Wilder fight. AJ sells vs anyone, why pay out big when Wilder already will be thought of as damaged goods? I dunno, I just think he's shrewd as ****. Wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

Wilder has made me a fan all the same. Hope you're right, it's a fight I really want to see.
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People must understand Hearn is doing his job nothing more or less, get the most money for the least risk. He’ll let them rematch and take the winner who will be softened up.

ArseBandit · Dec 2, 2018

james4210 said: ↑

I know boxing is all rather corrupt but you can't have a situation where a champion AJ, never fights anyone dangerous because he can claim they don't put enough bums on seats otherwise boxing is just a Private travelling tent show operation.

Even the worst boxing organisations have mandatory challengers. AJ can't spend his whole career hiding behind the skirts of this excuse of "oh he's not popular. Can you imagine any other sport operating like this?

But it is a free country, Let AJ exist in his own bubble if he wants , maybe he can fight Chisora or some short tubby heavyweight from Europe , to keep his Instagram fans happy , let the real men fight each other for the greatest honour and glory in the sport.
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Couldn't agree more. Some people are acting like it was AJ that beat Wilder yesterday. AJ should not get Kudos for Fury's work. If he wants to beat Wilder, then no mythical H2H matchup, fight him and prove you can do it.

Paul geczi · Dec 2, 2018

ArseBandit said: ↑

I disagree that it doesn't matter, I think it's taken some of the shine off the fight that came with it being two undefeated heavyweight champions. It's damaged Wilders marketability, Wilder only didn't lose on paper. The UK fans that Edddie markets to will be well aware of the fight tonight and what heppened. Wilders biggest asset in negotiations was the aura of being an undefeated knockout artist that was a bit of a toss up with Joshua- that's what made this fight stand out over Joshuas other potential fights.

Holding the lineal title I'd argue would have been a big card to hold at the negotiation table, and the reason I think Wilder wanted Fury first.

The reputation he held is damaged and Hearn knows this. He's shrewd as **** and I can't see him offering Wilder what he was offered before.

And agreed he is still a monster puncher, a bit of a one trick pony (I know many have said this for years, but Fury proved it)

Joshua can fight anyone and draw in a crowd.
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Most Joshua fans know **** about boxing and would watch him fight a ****ing goat if Eddie Hearn marketed it. This was the biggest heavyweight out there for true boxing fans

sid · Dec 2, 2018

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Absolutely no chance whatsoever of AJ ever going to the USA now after that. Also recall the GGG vs Clenelo and Ward vs Kovalev recent embarrassments.

No fighter who is the bigger draw is ever going to fight in the USA again, and AJ is the bigger draw.

Wilder will have to come to the UK for this fight if he wants it.
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The only way I see AJ & Wilder fighting is one in the UK & one in the USA or the fight does not happen.

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