Wilder's strategy and why Hearn/AJ were avoiding him

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  1. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    You took a long time to write two sentences. I understand there is cognitive dissonance so I don't hold it against you.

    Again, you honestly believe that a further faded Ortiz sacrificed 2.5 million dollars to fight a guy who'd already dropped him 3 times and KO'd him while up on the cards? Because Ortiz was so scared that the lighter puncher AJ might kill him in the ring or something?

    Ironic that you accuse me of mental gymnastics lol.
     
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  2. Baneofthegame

    Baneofthegame Active Member Full Member

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    He turned down the fight, this is a fact.

    He was offered 7 million dollars, but wanted 10 million, so contrary to what you said, he would of fought him for 10 milllion, which is basically pricing himself out of a fight, that’s on Ortiz.

    What is there to discuss?
     
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  3. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Oh dear, I think I've broken him.
     
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  4. Ilesey

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    :thumbsup:
     
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  5. kirk

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    Imagine actually believing AJ ducked Wilder, when Wilder is on record admitting he accepted less money to fight Fury than AJ was offering him.
     
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  6. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It don't matter what you say NEET

    Facts are facts. Wilder didn't take the offer and Wilder going on to fight others for significantly less money than what was offered says it all.
     
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  7. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    All of these arguments are illogical.

    70-30 or 60-40 in AJ's favour would have made Wilder far more money than fighting Fury for 50-50. Hell, maybe even 80-20 AJ would have made Wilder more. Wlad offered Haye 50-50 and Haye offered Fury 50-50 because they wanted to fight, Haye (a greedy b*stard himself) at least initially. Is it a duck to hold out for 50-50 in what would be by far your biggest career payday? Of course not, especially as beating the former unified and current lineal champion 27-0 Klitschko-conqueror Fury would have greatly strengthened Wilder's hand at the AJ negotiating table. Wilder was making a rhetorical point to Fury which his detractors have taken out of context, honesty or otherwise.

    AJ also said that he wouldn't fight Wilder in the U.S. and Hearn admitted to making an offer with a one-way rematch clause, as we know is typical. These were all excuses to duck the fight, pick up the rest of the belts and fight relatively easy mandatories, age Wilder out while building AJ's experience and hopefully arrange for Wilder to lose his belt to Whyte so that Hearn would win either way in an AJ-Whyte unification.
     
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  8. Mr Icaman

    Mr Icaman 32-0 WBC Champ, Ring + Lineal HW Champ Full Member

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    Stopped reading after the ready to fight in Russia lol. Pov was set up and your boi was never fighting him, he was still in the UK knowing he was safe from the beating he was about to be given..

    Pov was cleared of any wrongdoing and Wilder didn't get any money for the fight..

    He scampered off before the WBC even knew what was going on..

    Wilder then procedded to fight cans and got cought out with Fury then only re matched him bacuse he has pillows for fists..
     
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  9. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Don’t even bother replying to him. He’s going respond with a very long paragraph about how he sucked wilders dick. He’s probably the most full of **** guy on this forum which is saying A LOT
     
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  10. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Trust me he won't do it. He knows i got those Wilder tweets on deck
     
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  11. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Lmao
     
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  12. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    What’s crazy is that even after the tweets, all the biggest Wilder haters stopped talking about them in like a week. I have no idea what’s motivating this guy to talk about Wilder so much, nobody gives a **** anymore
     
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  13. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Apparently you do though, otherwise you wouldn't be fanboying for AJ on my thread.
     
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  14. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    The mental gymnastics required to convince yourself Wilder ducked AJ is impressive but not surprising when you consider the length Wilder fans went to explain fight 2 with Fury. Loaded gloves, ill fitting gloves, costume too heavy, gypsy curse, mask lights blinding Wilder, too heavy, arm injury, etc. So of course they'll apply the same twisted bias towards the AJ/Wilder situation.
     
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  15. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    So Povetkin was setup on both occasions, despite his power and stamina increasing considerably over that period. Whyte was cleared as well, I suppose there was no wrongdoing there either. Setup in 2012 as well I'm sure. Was Ortiz setup too? Who was it who set Povetkin up on Wilder's behalf?

    And why did Wilder give Fury a third fight after realising that those pillows weren't as soft as he thought?
     
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