Wilder's strategy and why Hearn/AJ were avoiding him

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  1. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Dishonest rubbish. All of those post-fight excuses were nonsense but AJ was obviously ducking Wilder.
     
  2. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Obvious to deluded fanboys only. Anybody with any sense knows what really happened and fact is the vast majority of people believe Wilder ducked AJ like he ducked so many other challenges during his career.
     
  3. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Do you want to know the reality of the situation ?

    @NEETzschean doesn't actually like Wilder but he's trying to spout all of this delusional biased BS because NEET realized most see Wilder as overrated like Jeff Lacy and he knows that a hypejob doesn't look good on Fury's resume. Which is why he's on a mission to make Wilder out to be a heavyweight monster who everyone ducked.

    Wilder literally admitted to ducking Joshua. You cannot make this up. Ridiculous
     
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  4. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    If the vast majority of people believe it, it's because the vast majority are easy to fool and boxing fans tend to be below average. Hearn was intent of giving AJ's rivals 50-50 splits, travelling to the backyards of dangerous opponents and offering two-way rematch clauses. AJ was involved in many 50-50 fights in his career, it's not like he was a big, huge or absurd favourite in all of them.
     
  5. Murderers' Row

    Murderers' Row Boxing Addict Full Member

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    /thread
     
  6. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    LMFAO! The moment you mentioned Wilder was going to fight Povetkin in Russia and the fight did not happen due to Povetkin failing a drug test is the moment you lost any and every credibility you may have had initially.

    For starters, Wilder never went anywhere near Russia in build up to his (would be) fight against Povetkin. He was instead insisting on hiding in the UK in his comfort zone and safe-spot.

    Secondly, Wilder had no problems fighting Ortiz in his comfort zone of USA, another guy who failed a drug-test but he couldn't fight Povetkin? Or maybe he never wanted to fight Povetkin and never was going to fight Povetkin regardless and that the failed drug-test is merely a cop-out whilst the fight was merely a smoke-screen and mirror?

    Thirdly, we are to believe a 6 foot, pudgy little Povetkin is a drug-cheat but not Wilder, when Wilder has gained a suspicious 30+ pounds of lean muscle mass against Fury for the third fight, at age 35+ when he has trash weight-lifting form and skills to begin with? Now even if he did have competent weight-lifting ability, he wouldn't have time to lift enough due to being in a sport where he has to focus on other more important attributes which are counterproductive to building muscle mass such as stamina, cardio exercises and etc. which won't allow him enough time to lift weights to build muscle and will cause him to lose muscle instead (cardio burns muscle mass).

    But all of that is okay, and we're going to turn a blind-eye to all of that, but pretend pudgy Povektin is the only PED consumer here, when there's WAY more evidence pointing towards Wilder being a much bigger drug abuser? LMFAO!

    Anyone who at all believes drug-testing in any competitive athletic sport is anything other than a deceptive instrument used to corrupt sports by protecting certain competitors unfairly or putting other competitors in unfair danger or to prevent contests from taking place, doesn't have much credibility about anything above the very basics and the obvious (sky is blue).

    And as for AJ ducking Wilder, let's just look at the number of top 10 opponents (at the time of bout) that Wilder has fought in 40+ bouts and then compare that to the number of top 10 opponents Joshua faced in nearly 20 bouts, and then that alone should justify Wilder being the one avoiding top opposition (including Joshua).

    When Joshua has fought the far better competition OBJECTIVELY, in fewer fights to boot, the only person who will justifiably be blamed for a fight not happening between the two is Wilder.

    And LMFAO at Wilder facing the toughest competition. Brezeale is a punching-bag. Ortiz was a ancient heart-patient, most likely stripped off his drugs (including his heart medication) and therefore an irrelevant fight. And Fury was merely a cash-out fight for Wilder.
     
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  7. CleneloAnavarez

    CleneloAnavarez Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He does this to boost Fury, not Wilder.
     
  8. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Funnily enough after those shinanigans they put Povetkin against Stiverne in a final eliminator. They both popped for PEDs. The WBC drop kicked Povetkin, gave Stiverne a fine, and stuck him in the ring with Wilder as his first mandatory challenger. I'm sure it has nothing to do with Stiverne looking like death warmed up and being nearly 2 years inactive

    If I was to throw out a conspiracy theory:
    It's funny how the WBC have been picking and choosing which PED tests aren't that big a deal. And it always seemed to benefit Wilder/PBC...
    • Povetkin - a legitimate threat and wins the bid to be in Russia, and suddenly he's having PED issues
    • Ortiz - gets caught, better let that one marinate
    • Stiverne - caught on MHA, but given a fine by WBC and stuck in the ring with Wilder (Mandatory #1).
    • Molina - serving a UKAD ban but allowed to fight in a final eliminator instead of Whyte. Resultantly Breazeale becomes mandatory #2.
    • Whyte looks like he will finally be mandatory, and suddenly there is a leaked UKAD test result in the American press derailing his potential title shot. WBC who ignored an actual UKAD ban for Molina, are throwing the book at Whyte based on a rumour.:lol:

    Then add to that:
    • Joshua v Miller. Let's be real here, EVERYONE knew Miller was on PEDs. It had been obvious for years. But suddenly as DAZN/Matchroom/Joshua make their play for the American market. He gets done for PEDs.

    Hmm....really makes you think...
     
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  9. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Imagine actually thinking AJ was ducking Wilder!
     
  10. Ty is That Guy

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    Man, I wish someone would avoid me by offering 120 million to fight them hahahahah. This entire post is off it's meds
     
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  11. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilder was always a complete hype job and had an atrocious reign not fighting anyone.

    Pulls 400lb Fury off his couch after alcohol and drugs binges- gets clowned in three fights.

    For my estimation of Wilder to go up he would have to fight ranked and rated and common opposition ie. people like Whyte Parker to actually gauge where he is amongst the group.

    Getting clowned by Fury doesn't mean anything we won't know until Fury fights Usyk and AJ or Wilder actually fights any of the others mentioned to rank how good that win was or wasn't.
     
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  12. DaRealJT

    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don’t believe that either Wilder’s side or Joshua’s side truly wanted the fight to happen when everyone was calling for it
     
  13. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Joshua has received vastly more hype than Wilder but Wilder didn't get beat down and quit against a stubby, non-punching, morbidly obese 25-1 underdog. Losing to Usyk (another underdog, though nowhere near as big) is also more embarrassing and damaging for one's legacy than losing to GOAT Fury.

    Wilder and AJ have both fought one elite opponent in and around their prime, they both lost but Wilder didn't lose to a non-elite opponent like Ruiz, who is no better or more dangerous than many of the opponents that Wilder has beaten and in some cases less. The fact that you consider Whyte and Parker(!) to be better and more dangerous than Ortiz and Stirverne just shows that you cannot assess fighters objectively.
     
  14. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Wilder didn't benefit as much from any delay as he was the older and more experienced fighter, better to get AJ sooner rather than later. But he wanted equal or favourable terms and he wasn't going to get that from Hearn and AJ.
     
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  15. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Read the 2nd essay, it's very obvious when you think about it.