Wilder's win over Ortiz proves old-school heavies have real KO power

In the Williams, Patterson and Ali fights, the tale of the tape reads 84".

 

So his arms shrunk for the Leotis Martin fight then....

 

Yeah, I see 80 1/2" for that fight. But I see 84" a lot more.

 

Me neither. Seems like an obvious exaggeration that just got accepted through repetition.

 

Morning fellas, the old way the measure reach is pretty bogus in my opinion. Broad shoulders and large hands with long fingers are going to make certain fighters seem longer than they actually are.

Ex Ring magazine bloke Randy Gordon was always pretty out there but I always dug his " Randys Reach " concept.

I reckon reach should be measured from a fighters chin to their clenched fist with their jabbing hand at full extension whilst being in their actual boxing stance. That would give a much truer idea of a fighters " length ".

I reckon Wilder has very long arms and he isnt very broad so he does have a LOT of reach.

Liston on the other hand had REALLY broad shoulders and massive hands so his so called reach was a bit exaggerated.

Ali seemed to have a longer left lead than Sonny did when they fought each other.

Cheers All.

 

And the big men of yesteryear were much more statue like than athletic like Wilder.....Wilder still is a huge man even at a shredded leaned down 214 he is a giant

 

Wilder is the new paradigm. Variations of him are all we will see from now on at the top. And as such he must be acknowledged as the GOAT.

 

Interesting enough Joshua has continued to trim down to be lighter as well....maybe Wilders success despite his lighter weight is opening the eyes of the modern muscle building trainers to a more traditional approach of lean, fast, athletic like the old days

 

Joshua is clearly too muscle bound. He doesn't carry it well and gasses.
That said, even at 214 Wilder isn't an output machine.

 

He isn’t, but he does carry his power late and that’s due to his legs.

 

He's got metropolitan power, not country power.

 

I believe that once you get to a certain level of muscularity it really hurts your stamina. In my opinion AJ would be better off weighing around 240 lbs max or even say 235 lbs than over 250 lbs as he did against Takam. All that extra muscle just makes a fighter have less stamina and less flexibility. Boxing isnt a weightlifting contest.

It was pretty awesome to see a heavyweight who had the conditioning to up his level of attack in the tenth round as Wilder did. These days its a pretty uncommon happening.

Cheers All.

 

It varies athlete to athlete. Some guys have the muscle carry them, others carry the muscle.

 

Absolutely true there are naturally heavier muscled men who carry the weight easily....and this is what we mean by natural size just a big raw boned man. Whenever I worked with a fighter trying to go up in weight size I always felt the areas they should focus on that will pay off is core strength/thickness, back and legs.......arms, chest, shoulders were a no no IMO they take away from stamina and endurance more times than not but power areas such as core, legs and posterior chain were preferred.

 

Bone density and thick joints are factors, too. It's as plain as day when you see it. The difference between "country strong" and "gym mirror strong"...