Wilfred Benitez vs Jose Napoles

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Who Wins and How?

  1. Benitez PTS

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  2. Benitez KO

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  3. Napoles PTS

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  4. Napoles KO

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  5. Draw/Can't Decide

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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  2. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    I would take Napoles by decision at 147. Just too complete and experienced for that version of benitez
     
  3. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Incredible technical fight. Napoles takes it with edge in experience in skill. Nobody ever beat prime Napoles. Backus as they say, borrowed the title on cuts. Benitez was beaten a few times in his prime.
     
  4. Flo_Raiden

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    This fight oozes with class and skills, but ultimately I’ll have to go with the more rounded fighter who has both slick defense and offense. Benitez would probably make Napoles miss a lot but I see Napoles outworking and even putting some hurt on Benítez.
     
  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I'm gonna go with Napoles too, but with the slight caveat that if this was at 154 (Nap from the Monzon fight) that Benítez wins this one.

    Napoles was compact and explosive, and he burst forward in rhythmic, economical combinations, loaded with power. He was a master at cutting off the ring, and had all sorts of methods of working around jabs. He also had a gorgeous defence. I think a key aspect here is that Napoles' body attack was really, really, really effective. Benítez, however, was a born fighter; nothing more needs to be said about this man's heart or relaxation in the ring. His reflexes and hand-speed are astounding, and he's probably got a top 5 defence of all time. He loved to sit back on the ropes and counter, which I think he'd have to do here because Napoles was so good at getting someone to the ropes. Napoles had an awesome inclination of how to bait someone into attacking, whilst walking them down himself. He'd shift his weight forth, and then back, and let them come to him. He'd also put a jab on the forward shift from time to time - y'know, for good measure. I think this could really be a factor. Benítez wouldn't be glued to the ropes much, and whenever he took the bait, he'd be lacerated with sharp, cerebral counters.

    I do think that Benítez's jab could play apart in multiple rounds. Perhaps you give round one to Benítez coz he was jabbing well, but you give round two to Napoles because he was countering said jab well. Something which could be interesting. I do tend to think that Napoles has an answer for that too. He liked to duck whilst he threw punches, it added momentum but also let him exploit angles from the punch he just avoided. It seems like Ol' Mantequilla has something in that Bag-o'-tricks for just about everything!

    There's no denying that this would be one of the most beautifully fought fights of all time. You could probably write a book on the techniques on display too.

    Napoles UD15, for my book.
     
  6. LoadedGlove

    LoadedGlove Boxing Addict Full Member

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    At Welter it's a peak Napoles against a pre Peak Benitez and Napoles' greater battle hardened experience gives it to him for me for the reasons George has already given.
    Smashing, classy, cerebral fight.
     
  7. Quick Cash

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    I'm siding with Benitez based on superior strength. I think this allows him to match Mantequilla's combinations with his own, but his would start to tell over the course of the encounter. I also see it settling into a scientific inside battle, which could prompt dangerous head clashes- so a stoppage in favor of Wilfred would not surprise.
     
  8. George Crowcroft

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  9. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mouthwatering matchup here, George. Great job. I have to go with Mantequilla as his offence is better. Benitez will make him miss more than once but Jose would land enough.
     
  10. Clinton

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    I just noticed nobody has chosen Wilfred.
     
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  11. George Crowcroft

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    Quick Cash did Clint.
     
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  12. roughdiamond

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    Napoles. He is the more developed and experience practitioner of Benitez's own style. Benitez is stronger, but Napoles had a higher ring IQ at his peak in comparison to this version of Benitez. Napoles' own scythe-like power, baiting movement and punch threading would also keep Wilfredo honest and confused, though his defense would cause Napoles quite a lot of trouble early before he begins to adapt.

    A mouthwatering fight, which Napoles would win a competitive but relatively clear fight as it goes on. I can understand people picking Benitez due to Napoles trouble against stylist Lewis, but I think Benitez's size and strength is his best asset here, which he didn't really employ as well in comparison to his 154lb self.
     
  13. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Another Napolis vote. Was just watching his first bout with Lewis last evening
     
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  14. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Benitez has the athleticism to cause any fighter in history problems, but you could see in the Leonard fight that as well as he looked at times, at others he can be backed up and tagged and can be countered himself.

    I think Napoles would lose a couple of early rounds whilst he tried to figure out how he's going to outbox a guy as slick as Benitez, but then after that I say his silky smooth timing allows him to start picking away at Benitez, before taking over down the stretch and pounding out a victory.

    But I reckon there would be enough footage to put together an awesome highlight clip of Benitez making Napoles look a fool and if the full version of the fight ever got damaged, people would point to these highlights for the rest of history swearing blind that Benitez was robbed.
     
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  15. Eye of Timaeus

    Eye of Timaeus Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Benitez chin was suspect. This doesn't last long.
     
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