PR (& SBW) GOAT? :think Yes, for me. All the arguments for other greats from PR (Camacho, Tito, and Ortiz being the foremost examples...and I don't think it within the power of any currently active boxer - neither Cotto nor Verdejo, nor anyone else - to make up all the ground they would need to and face all the consistently high level of competition they'd need to in order to be in the conversation) invariably just come up lacking by some measure or another. This in particular is a heck of a win, and there are plenty more where this came from on his dossier over his six-year run of 122lb dominance. (unparalleled before or since): [yt]Px1tze1RcBA[/yt] The leverage he could generate with his legs moving - goodness! He was never beaten at the weight. :deal It took a four-pound hike and the irresistible force of another legend in Chava to finally bring him down to earth.
Great 122 lb champion, also won a 126 lb. championship over Juan Laporte. Greatest fighter ever from Puerto Rico? I'll take Benitez.
Fair enough. There are like 5-6 guys for whom I think reasonable cases exist to be made, depending on what you're favoring.
Both. I'd have him just ahead of Ortiz, (followed by Benitez and Cocoa Kid) for GOAT from PR. And I have him pretty clearly ahead of Morales, Barerra and Fenech for GOAT at 122
Yeah. I'm the biggest MAB fanatic you'll ever find (yes, bigger than Addie/selfkill - in fact, I'm more of a Penalosa fan, too, and you can tell him I said that :tong) - and I can't front, Gómez just set the bar too high for him at 122. (the never having lost there helps, but also on consistency of form, dominance vis-a-vis level of comp., etc - really every metric) I'm gaga for Izzy Vazquez too, possibly my favorite modern era fighter - and he's tbh not a flea on Bazooka's culo, as the super bantam ATG rankings go.
Gómez would find today a total piece of cake. All due respect to Rigondeaux, but he would be obliterated.
Ra's Al-Ghul - "neither". Explain? Or is this just more contrary for the sake of being contrary? If you have a rationale, I'm happy to hear it.
He had a mediocre chin. On the other hand if he had Laporte's chin I'm not sure if he would have lost. Hell he might have won 5 titles.
Eh, his chin was okay I think.........Yum put him down, but a weak-chinned guy (or even a mediocre chinned fighter) wouldn't have been able to take what he did from Sanchez, Pintor, etc.
Pinto I'll give you but he was a smaller man moving up. Sanchez stopped him and that was the only title fight he ended before the 10th round. Nelson stopped him. I would have to rewatch his title defenses but I'm pretty sure he got wobbled in a few. Anyway not a bad chin. Just, imo, not great. A little better than Benitez but not much.
as far as I remember he only stopped him because of his eye or it may have been a tko stoppage not a full on ko?
Nah, Sanchez messed up his face for sure, but Gomez's legs were gone, and Sanchez put him down hard along the ropes in the eighth. He got up, but Padilla wisely stopped it. He was cooked.