Wilfredo Benitez's Greatest Performance & Duran Overrated

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  1. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just being relevant to the thread. Wilfred did beat him in that time period. You guys don't think about history.
     
  2. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My point here is that if I mention Benitez enough. Everytime someone thinks about Duran in the future they will think about Benitez and the 15 rounds he outsped and outfought him. Benitez beat him easily when Benitez was champion and Duran was challenging him 14 short months after Duran lost to Ray at 147.... I don't want Benitez to be forgotten and he has been a little. This is not fair to boxing history. And listen, Duran had great instinctive talent, but so did Benitez. Watch the fight. Benitez was not holding at time but punching on the inside. That was skill.
     
  3. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    143-142. Hal Miller's score. Giving Duran 7 rounds. Even the others 144-141 are not terrible. And the beating Duran gave Wilfred in this so called losing effort ruined Benitez for all time. He never recovered and thus Hamsho, Moore and Hearns beat him easily y. But DURAN gave the beating that ruined him.
     
  4. JohnThomas1

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    And there it is.............. OMG! :duh
     
  5. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Those scores were much closer than what they should have been for Duran vs. Benitez. Duran said after that Benitez won a close fight. Are you guys changing the history now. This is what I meant by revisionism. Duran's own trainer said he was going to ask Duran to retire. It was an easy fight for Benitez, and yet I remember Duran not hugging him after the fight and doing similar but not as dramatic a disrespect than he did of Ray in June 1980. I think Duran won at the most 3 rounds maybe 4. Wow is all I can say. Let's make a loss a win, and if we can't let's make an excuse or say he beat Wilfred up. Wilfred didn't even hold at points because he could let his hands go and land body punches to Duran,which made Duran less offensive. Wilfred was much quicker.

    The Hearns fight was actually majority decision just by one card being even, yet another one 10 points apart. Tommy would have knocked out most junior middleweight champions that night in Dec. 1982. His previous fights since Leonard in Sept. 1981 were middleweights I think. Singletary the bahamas, Geraldo, McCracken whom I think was undefeated and then Wilfred. Then Thomas moved up and fought Sutherland at 160 in July 1983. So he was stronger at 154 probably. My point is even a Hearns who was at his best could not stop Benitez. Benitez was in great shape and came out looking well. Duran could not avoid Tommy's right. Benitez could for the most part except for some rights getting in, but nothing clean. Actually at the end of the fight a good right lands at the bell think. Wilfred was not beaten up or diminished by Duran or by Hearns. 154 was his good weight. 1981 and 1982 was his year. He was only 23 and 24 for that year.

    And let me say this. I remember back in 1984 when Tommy fought Duran. Emanuel was interviewed with Tommy. Tommy was asked, how will you knock out Duran if Leonard couldn't. He said very enthusiastically, I punch much harder than Leonard does and I think I will knock out Duran. Duran has never felt the kind of power I possess in my right hand. In another press conference he said 2 rounds, yet I don't remember him saying that. That was the going word before the fight. I thought Tommy would win a UD or late TKO. Emanuel did say that Wilfred landed right hand leads and right hands all night against Duran, and Tommy will do the same. You guys either take the information which is there which is factual, or the revisioned false information. I think the actual words from Emanuel and Tommy and Roberto and even Wilfred after the fight show the story.
     
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  6. PernellSweetPea

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    A fighter of Wilfred's quality beat another fellow great and deserves credit and you say omg when I mention this? Boy this fanboy stuff. When we think about Duran we have to also think about Wilfred and always know he beat him and I will remind people of this, which help people think of this-, same as Ray and Thomas Hearns and Hagler, who fought uninspired, but won nonetheless. Same as when we think of Hearns we know Leonard and Hagler beat him. When we mention the fighters if they are not given respect, then being reminded on this boxing message board or others will reinforce it. And I think this will help as I said before. This is not about fanboy worship, this is about history. Duran is not better than Wilfred as far as importance or signficance as a person, and Wilfredo's win over Duran could be better or equal to Duran's win over Ray in June 80 if we look at experience and Duran not being far from his Leonard fights. And Wilfred will not be forgotten. Why should he be. He beat Duran fair. So I will keep mentioning him. This is how boxing history works And remember this, at 154 Duran fought there before Hearns, Leonard and Benitez ever did. 1978. Something I have said numerous times. I should start copying and pasting my old comments so I don't have to bother typing. You guys don't listen or want to.
     
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  7. PernellSweetPea

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    This is like a wall of denial. No acceptance of the truth. Like Gil Clancy saying that nonsense after the Hearns knocked out of Duran. No, you don't age overnight, and Duran won the middleweight title in 1989. And then Gil says, this proves how great Duran is. So 5 years later he does a total reversal?

    Legends beating legends or big accomplishments. Spinks over Holmes. Hearns over Hill. Long term champions. Leonard over Hagler? Certainly, but Duran over Moore or Barkley? No not the same. Now had Duran beaten Benitez or Hearns? That would have been a great win. And then excuses would not have been needed and his fans could have turned those wins into something great, as they would have been. But they didn't happen. So let's make up excuses for revisionism. Benitez threw the right and landed with speed. I hope Wilfred is remembered and I think this helps people who see this remember him and think of him when Duran is mentioned. Boxing is not only about Duran, it is about all the fighters. A boxers career is his whole career not just when he wins.
     
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  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Were you being serious here?
     
  9. Amos-san

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    I think Duran only won rounds 6 and 12. That's all. Press conference fight he didn't win too
     
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  10. The Morlocks

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  11. Cobra33

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    Here is the thing: Benitez beat Duran. I'm a fan of neither one but Duran looked FLAT.
    Benitez got beaten by Leonard- and no that fight wasn't close Leonard was always in control. Sure it had moments where it was competitive but overall Leonard had his way.
    Hearns boxed Benitez's ears off. Won going away.
    Bruce Curry was flat out ROBBED the first fight.
    Benitez was a great boxer no doubt. Deserves the HOF.
    But Duran was much greater. Beat Buchanan. Beat a PRIME Leonard outside of his division.
     
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  12. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Thanks!
     
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  13. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilfredo Benitez’s best performance was probably against Cervantes.

    He had some other great performances when he became Wilfred.
     
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