Wilfredo Gomez vs Guillermo Rigondeaux At 122

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  1. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why? I'm asking for technichal reasons why one of the best defensive fighters of this generation with amazing handspeed, power and footwork gets destroyed. He's got the skills to trouble anyone.:huh
     
  2. Ike-Man

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    Rigo's good, very good but he's not unhittable and unhurtable just ask Cordoba, Donaire and that Japanese nobody he fought a couple of fights ago. Do you really think the GOAT at that weight with a 100% KO percentage at the weight is not going to land at some point??
     
  3. lufcrazy

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    Gomez was more talented than Rigo imo. If you weren't bigger than Gomez you didn't beat him. He's inside my top 20 fighters of all time.

    Gomez has killer footwork and there's no guarantee that Rigo can outmanoeuvre him to keep at range.

    Gomez is an incredibly fluid puncher and has one of the best ****nals in boxing history, Rigo will not have seen such a punch output coming towards him.

    Gomez has other worldly power, admittedly Rigo has faced a puncher arguably as strong quick and accurate as Gomez so we can conclude one punch won't end it.

    Gomez is cut from a different cloth to Donaire, he has heart and a boxing mentality he will walk through a stiff jab to unload his hooks to the body, he will commit early doors to weaken him late on.

    Rigo is not a unique talent, there are a lot of defensive masters who refuse to engage. Fighters who rely on their technique and reflexes to out point the opposition. What makes those types of fighters unique is when they maintain that dominance over elite opposition. Now Rigo has only fought one elite opponent, a sharp shooter called Donaire. He's never faced the type of brute force attack Gomez can lay on him.

    Gomez beat a man who's arguably the best BW in history. He destroyed him. He took his soul.

    Gomez only lost when he stepped up and that's the only way you can envision Rigo losing.

    Great offence vs great defence is always a brilliant fight in my minds eye. But when the attacker can match the accuracy, footwork and handspeed of the defender, it is very difficult for the running man to build up a points lead. Rigo would have to commit to his punches more and hope that enough solid whacks will slow Gomez down to a walking pace. That's just not something I think Rigo can do.

    Gomez late round tko, maybe from behind.
     
  4. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Gomez was an outstanding ATG but he's not matching Rigondeaux's footwork or the speed of his lead punches. Intriguing stylistic matchup. Wouldn't be surprised by either outcome-- Rigondeaux out boxing & eluding him en route to a UD or Gomez catching up to him just often enough to grind him down and scare him into going into all out defensive safety-first mode.
     
  5. lufcrazy

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    What footwork has Rigo shown to prove he can outmanoeuvre an attacking force like Gomez? Gomez doesn't have to set himself to punch.

    Beating Rigo punch for punch isn't gonna happen, but Gomez won't be throwing single shots, he'll be throwing 2,3,4 punch combinations and his hands are quick enough that it won't matter who quick Rigo is with the jab, short of turning his back and sprinting away he won't be able to evade Gomez for 12 rounds imo.
     
  6. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Honest question: have you watched Rigondeaux's footwork? He's a wizard with his feet; one of the most elusive fighters of all time when he wants to be. You can check any of his highlight clips to see numerous examples of his foot speed and creativity, his ability to set up ridiculous angles, and his ability to avoid attacks while still getting off his lead power punches.
     
  7. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Who have you seen Gomez handle that makes you so certain that he figures out and stops Rigondeaux?
     
  8. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Have you seen Gomez? I'm not sure Rigondeaux has better footwork; when he wanted to be Gomez was just about unhittable, popping in and out of range deftly.

    Rigondeaux is the better defensive fighter because Gomez could be careless but he's certainly not the all around Gomez was. Hell the guy made mincemeat out of a division or two.
     
  9. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    It's no knock against Gomez but Rigondeaux is on an entirely different level wrt footwork. I remember seeing Gomez show some great in-and-out skill against Lupe Pintor (at times, early on), but I really don't see any comparison in their "unhittableness."
     
  10. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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  11. lufcrazy

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    I've seen all of Rigo's televised fights and I bet on him to dethrone Donaire.

    However it is one thing staying one step ahead of an erratic share shooter like Donaire, a totally different matter staying one step ahead of an all round great fighter like Gomez.

    Gomez will be punching whilst he moves, he'll be punching whilst he doesn't. He has great timing and punch selection.

    For ever one step Gomez takes, Rigo would need to take two to evade him all night. Whilst doing this Rigo would have to be popping off the jab leaving an opening.

    In a turn based fight throwing single shots, Gomez has no chance. But in a 12 round boxing match I think Rigo is out matched here.

    I do rate Gomez very highly though, inside my top 20 in history (number 19 to be precise).

    I just don't see it.
     
  12. The Morlocks

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    thx.
     
  13. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Why would Rigondeaux need to take twice as many steps as him? Not with his pivots and upper body movement he wouldn't. I have a ton of respect for Gomez but you make it seem like he threw 100 knockout punches per round with 100 percent accuracy.
     
  14. lufcrazy

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    The man on the back foot always has to work harder than the man on the front foot.

    Just to clarify, Gomez did not throw 100 knockout punches per round.

    Also to clarify Gomez did not have 100% accuracy.

    I'm not sure what section of my posts led you to believe that but I've clarified it for you now anyways.
     
  15. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    No, not necessarily.