Wilfredo Gomez

Fair enough mate, we don't really have enough of a difference to argue about it. I had it to Morales by a point or two as I thought it was a really close fight, you had it a bit wider. No sweat.

 

I don't really go in for the old hypotheticals involving fighters from different weight classes mate, I can't make sense of it myself, but I can definitely see where you're coming from, Tito was a monster at welterweight whose sheer power would allowed him to crush many good welters, whereas Morales managed to make fights against decent opposition more difficult than they needed to be. I think I'd still perhaps edge to Morales on ability, but I can see your point. Last question for you though - did you think Tito was better at welter or lightmiddle? I think he looked a slightly stronger, better fighter at lightmiddle. His performance against Vargas in particular was flawed, but actually pretty brilliant IMO. I always liked Vargas as a fighter, I thought he had better ability than he is often now given credit for. He wasn't a world-beater, but he was pretty good on his night.

I think Oscar is the best of the four ability-wise for sure. After that, there really isn't much to choose from between them. If I had to choose, I'd say Barrera of 2000/2001 was a better fighter than Morales or Tito ever were.

 

I think he was stronger and more powerful at 154 too, but in terms of strength and power relative to his opponents, I'd still say he was at his best at 147 Pop. It's kind of like the same answer I give to the 'where was Hearns better, at 147 or 154?' question. I acknowledge that he was stronger and looked more comfortable at 154, but a Hearns shot at 147 would have massacred an 147 pound opponent easier than a shot at 154 would to an 154 pound opponent. Same goes with Tito I feel. The height also was such an advantage at welter, for both guys.

I agree with you on Vargas, he is a lot better than he is given credit for nowadays. A pre-Tito Vargas probably beats both Mosley and DLH at 154 imo. I thought he actually drew with Winky Wright, and easily accounted for Ike Quartey.

Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree here.