Will any of the cuban team turn pro after WSB?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by TheGreenlad, Feb 13, 2014.


  1. TheGreenlad

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    Unfortunately I dont think so, but i can't see any professional champions out that that could beat, Alvarez at 130lbs or 135, or beat toledo at 140lb, savon at heavy except wlad klitschko, Veita at bantam or fly would win a world title no problem, hopefully they get approached by a promoter pure talent thats not gonna get fulfilled to the maximum!
     
  2. gmurphy

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    you cant say that they would definetly be world champions, Alvarez got beat by Nevin in the Olympics and I think Mikey Garcia would defietly have a good chance of beating him. Veitia is great but I don't know how he would adapt to 12 rounds with smaller gloves he also doesn't seem to be a big hitter. Toledo's good but not outstanding. And Savon is a great boxer but he is currently campaigning at 90kg which would be cruiserweight he might be undersized for heavyweight. Also Magomedrasul Majidov stopped him before so he might have chin issues.
     
  3. TheGreenlad

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    True nevin is a great boxer, but theres absolutely no chance in hell mikey garcia flat footed basic fighter could beat alvarez mate, not a hope, veita also fights in wsb is 4-0 theres 5 rounds fights and would have absolutely no issue at all doing 12 rounds in about a year, ur beleiving the old school myths wi=hich are rubbish, and savon is fights at 91kg mate and has fought at super heavy is heavily built and is 6 foot 6 the guy is huge iv met him before, and is you know boxing magomed was a home fighter in baku and the ref did a terrible job, magomed is also the hardest puncher in am boxing, but was getting outboxed and without that referee savon was gonna get a points decision!
     
  4. TheGreenlad

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    theres really no one in the pros who could beat these guys at those weights, champs or contenders!
     
  5. gmurphy

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    Well if not Mikey Garcia what about Lomachenko? Veitia was also stopped at the 2011 world championships by Pürevdorjiin Serdamba and I cant see him being able to keep ioka or Ramon Gonzalez off him for 12 rounds and iv seen all his WSB fights and he doesn't seem to have much of a punch. And iv seen the fight and to say Savon was outboxing him is beening very liberal with words, he was dropped in the 2nd and in amateur boxing if your taken clean hard punches usually a standing count is given. Mago is the hardest hitting super heavyweight in amateur boxing but he will be hit even harder in the pros by guys wearing smaller gloves and without headgear. They all have a chance to become world champions but to say that its a sure thing is going a bit too far. Also they might go the way of a lot of Cubans and not train properly. Out of the WSB boxers these are the ones at each weight who I think would make the best pro's

    light flyweight- Anthony Chacon, Yosbany Veitia , Mark Barriga
    Flyweight- Misha Aloyan, Andrew Selby
    bantamweight- Robeisy Ramirez
    lightweight- Albert Selimov,Lazaro Alverez, Robson Conceicao
    Light Welterweight- Evaldas Petrauskas, Yasnier Toledo
    Welterweight- Roniel Iglesias, Brian Castano, Arisnoidys Despaigne(although is quiet old)
    middleweight- Sergey Derevyanchenko, Jason Quigley
    Light Heavyweight- Julio De La Cruz, Joe Ward(from last year)
    Heavyweight- Erislandy Savon, Evgeny Tischenko, Aleksai Egorov
    Super Heavyweight- Filip Hrgovic, Magomedrasul Medzhidov, Yoandi Toirac

    Out of all the Cuban fighters I think Robesiy Rameriz, Roniel Sotolongo and Julio Del La Cruz and Lazaro Alverez would have the best chance of becoming world champions. Ramirez Sotolongo and Alverez seem very complete fighters, De La Cruz is one of the most technically brilliant boxers iv ever seen but I don't think his a particularly hard puncher and there might be questions and his chin. And his style wouldn't suit the pro's as he would be seen as a boring fighter.
     
  6. TheGreenlad

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    Agree with alot of what you said there except for la cruz, he has one of the best chins out there taken solid shots from ward and in wsb and doesn't move, his skills are so beyond anyone in the pros at light heavy that he would be the best, and savon is the best heavy/ super heavy in the world has good wins over joshua and maamadov, but robbed of becoming world and olympic champ, if that referee was neutral savon was no doubt gonna beat mezidov, remeber the ref was giving counts back when savon was landing big shots on mezidov so why wasn't mezidov given a count, no question alvarez would become world champ hes better than aany champ at those weights now, nevin is also a great boxer to add to the list, and your list is great cant argue with it at all, maybe paddy barnes is a good addition aswell micahel conlon too
     
  7. Stallion

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    Robeisy Ramírez is very young and he needs more experience. I'm sure that he could become the world champion in the pros if he was brought correctly with a correct trainer (too bad that Cubans don't allow pro boxings therefore their best trainers are in amateurs). If he was to fight the pro champions right now, it would be a big question mark but he would have a fair chance to win (assuming he would be conditioned to go 12 rounds).

    Alvarez would have a great chance of becoming a champion as well.

    Welterweight would be extremely interesting since there are very much elite level guys in both pros and amateurs. Roniel Iglesias looks amazing and while I don't know how good would he do if he fought guys like Bradley or Marquez right now in the pros, I believe that he'd school them on WSB.
    There are also 2 more elite guys in the amateurs at welterweight, Despaigne (he was a replacement for Roniel because he was punished I believe) and Yeleussinov from Kazakhstan. Yeleussinov is rated #1 and is current world amateur champion and he schooled Despaigne in the finals. I have no idea who would have won between him and Iglesias and it would be amazing if they fought on some upcoming tournament. It would be a real amateur superfight.

    La Cruz also looks impressive and it would be interesting to see him against some of the champions from the pros. If he could maintain his ability not to get hit he would have a good chance of schooling those Light heavyweights. Of course, the pros are the difference game, but if he let's say fought Stevenson on WSB right now, he would school him in my opinion.

    As for Savon, the heavyweight division is different from the other divisions simply because there is no weight limit. If went in the pros and immediately fought the top guys (ala Lomachenko) I don't believe that he would do well. There are also seveal world/Olympic champions from the amateurs currently in the pros, who also had a better amateur career than Savon but still can't become the champions. If he was brought well through the pro ranks, I believe that he would have defeated many top guys. However, I don't think that he could defeat Klitschko or even Povetkin, because they are well schooled amateurs themselves. There are also a couple of guys with very good amateur background such as Solis and Pulev, therefore they would have an advantage over Savon.
     
  8. gmurphy

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    Sep seemed to be able to rock De La Cruz in there WSB fight and he seemed to have problems dealing with a fighter who was willing to put him under constant pressure and rough him up, that's the only concern id have about him in the pros ,his skills are through the roof though. Also if I remember the Ward fight correctly I don't think Ward landed any big punches on him,Ward totally fought De La Cruz's fight and he really should have tried to turn the fight into a brawl from the start. I don't agree with you about Mezhidov though, they were level after one round he was winning the 2nd and would more than likely won the 3rd. And if that fight had taken place under the new scoring system he would have won confrotably, but we cant agree on everything haha. I left out Paddy Barnes because he hasn't had a WSB fight yet although I think he will be brilliant and im irish myself but im not 100 percent sure Conlon will be a great pro although I might be wrong. I didn't include nevin because his already turned pro and is not in the WSB
     
  9. TheGreenlad

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    For robesiy ramirez pedro diaz could train him, he trains rigo and solis would be a good pairing!
     
  10. DrMo

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    Not unless they defect. Beyond the more recognized Domadores Yoandi Toirac is the best teenage SHW I've seen in a while

    Someone I'd love to see turn pro is the Kazak HW Vasily Levit, he's been awesome in his first season & beat Egorov in his last fight

    The Russian bantamweight, can't remember his name but he looks like he'd be a good pro.
     
  11. gmurphy

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    The scoring was very bias in the Levit vs Egorov fight and if Egorov was fitter he would have comfortably beat him,i still think Egorov edged that fight.

    Nikitin is good seems to be a pressure fighter and might make a good pro
     
  12. Cletis VanDamme

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    Do you mean flyweight Misha Aloyan ?
     
  13. gmurphy

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    the bantamweight is Vladmir Nikitin
     
  14. Cletis VanDamme

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    :thumbsup Thanks
     
  15. TheGreenlad

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    that guy Misha Aloyan is quality hes the world champ good skills