Will anybody ever beat Canelo on the scorecards again

Even Floyd drew on one card lol

 

Even he only just managed it. When Oscar is done with him, when he's squeezed all the big money out of him, when he wasn't the fighter he once was Oscar won't protect him

 

Maybe if he suffers a minimum of 4 KD's in different rounds (beyond judges' repair), or there's a new milk cow in the same division with a US nationality.

Seriously, I think Golovkin II would end up in a loss for him.

 

Not unless he ladders oschers tights

 

Noope, not while fishnets DLH is able to wheel out judges like Adelaide Byrd.

 

No, it really is that simple, while he fights on GBP cards with GBP choosing the judges there isn't a chance of him losing on the cards in my opinion.

If you are being given a score of 118-110 against Golovkin then you literally just have to stay on your feet to win.


Too much money involved, too much influence being exerted, too many favours being given and it really is shameful and really damages the sport we love.

 

Like to add, the draw against Mayweather was just as ridiculous and shameful.

What's even more shameful is Canelo, Oscar and the rest of the brown nosing little turds claiming he won against Golovkin or claiming the draw was OK against Mayweather.

 

While actually none of canelo's fault, he WILL receive favorable scoring pretty much for the remainder of his career. He's probably the most popular active boxer today. Any type of combination he throws will get the crowd going, even if they don't land cleanly. Flashy punches from popular fighters score no matter what. Again, not canelo's fault, but just how it is.

 

This. Floyd was very lucky to walk out with the win against Oscar and Canelo despite clearly beating both.

GGG clearly beat Canelo by 7-5 and was very lucky to get a draw instead of being handed a loss.

This is going to make fighters hold out for as long as possible when negotiating with Canelo knowing they need a knockout to win. Especially other champion like BJS.

 

I'm highly offended by your comments N17. Such harsh words used to describe fans who aren't heavily biased against Canelo and/or head-over-heels for Mayweather and Gennady Golovkin. If you have to use words like "shameful" and "brown nosing little turds" then one really have to question your view of these bouts.

"GBP choosing the judges" / "literally just have to stay on your feet to win" these comments are pure comedy. How delusional do you have to be to actually believe that. I mean, obviously you're exaggerating for effect, due to some weird anti-Canelo mindset you've adopted.

It's really odd to hear these types of statements when any reasonable fan can see that Canelo held his own against Mayweather, probably didn't win the fight or even get a draw, but certainly was in the fight and in pretty much every round. I'm not even sure if the draw was OK or not, like I find that fight incredibly hard to score, so don't even put me in that categeory of thinking the draw was OK. One thing I've tried to do is to discuss the rounds and debate the rounds, but yet every time I've tried to do this with those who think Mayweather won every round or almost every round refuses to discuss the rounds.

Look, after watching the fight, I didn't think Canelo was gonna win the fight. He didn't really win too many rounds convincingly enough to beat Mayweather. But in no way was it a dominant Mayweather win or anything close to that. Mayweather was in a serious back and forth fight that night. Mayweather was taken to his absoutely limit vs Canelo. So much so that he refused to rematch Canelo, refused to even fight the guy at 154. Mayweather obviously was very worried about what Canelo was able to do to him.

And in the Golovkin, I mean Canelo put on a boxing clinic man. He completely outboxed Gennady Golovkin. He started strong, he won most of the rounds. Rounds 4-9 were pretty close, you could give some of those to Golovkin, but to give all those go Golovkin is a little ridiculous. 118-110 is a little much for either fighter. Teddy Atlas scoring it 118-110 to Golovkin is way worse than 118-110 to Canelo because Canelo was landing the better harder punches, did more body work, had better defense, made the opponent miss more, was showcasing a more well rounded skillset and punch variety, etc.

But it wasn't a 118-110 kind of a fight. This was a very competitive fight that can be seen in a variety of ways depending on who you were rooting for, what you thought each guy had to do, etc. We're all in agreement that 118-110 was too wide, no one is really arguing that Canelo won that many rounds. Rounds 1-4 were Canelo rounds for me, Rounds 10-12 were Canelo rounds. Rounds 4 and 5 could go either way. Rounds 6-9 Golovkin outworked him but Canelo landed the best single punches. That's what happened in the fight. Accept reality. Byrd gave Canelo all those rounds because Golovkin was just throwing more punches, he didn't land that many significant earth shattering punches. But you do have to reward somebody for throwing and landing more punches, so in that respect I think you gotta give Golovkin at least 3 or 4 rounds just based on activity in the middle rounds and Canelo slowing down a bit. So it's a 8-4, 7-5 Canelo type of a fight, maybe 6-6 if you're really generous to Golovkin. And, if you're just sitting there counting punches and giving rounds to the guy throwing more punches, you'll have Golovkin winning. Somebody like me understands the sweet science involved. It's not just rock em sock em robots. Canelo got the better of Gennady Golovkin. Golovkin didn't do what his fans said he was gonna do to Canelo. He didn't hurt Canelo, he didn't rock Canelo, he didn't do anything to bother Canelo. Canelo didn't fight a perfect fight, he probably gave away some of the middle rounds. But he definitely proved a lot against Golovkin and if you can't appreciate that, that's you're issue man. You're not fooling anybody with your namecalling and all this jazz about the Mayweather and Golovkin fights. This must be your way of trying to convince yourself of something that's way off.

You know what you saw in those fights. We all saw what happened. We all now how good Canelo is, there's no point in trying to deny it. No one on here is arguing that Gennady lost 118-110, because we're trying to be fair to Golovkin. For throwing more punches, for coming forward, for landing *some* good punches, etc. I'm not coming on here claiming the draw vs Mayweather was OK. I really thought Mayweather won that fight, but at the same time those were hard to score rounds, and when you have that many hard to score rounds, a draw isn't inconceivable when you look at how close the rounds were. I mean, Elvir Muriqi got a draw on the scorecards vs Antonio Tarver, did you really think Muriqi won that fight? Probably not, but he got in some hard body shots and kept a good amount of those rounds close. You end up with draws sometimes. The obsession over the Mayweather draw is off the charts, the obsession of the Byrd card vs Golovkin, is somewhat justifiable given how close the fight was, but still taken to the extreme with comments like GBP choosing the judges or literally just have to stay on your feet to win. Saying stuff like that literally dumbs down the consensus view of a boxing match. Canelo did a hell of a lot more than juset staying on his feet to win. Alvarez landed major punches that sent shivers down Golovkin's spine, he did stuff to Golovkin that nobody else has been able to do. That's why he won so many rounds. Failure to understand or accept this only makes you look like a casual-highly-influenced-by-noise boxing fan. If you want to talk boxing, lets talk boxing. Be real about it though.

 

Canelo is the final boss of the scorecards. He has tattooed 118-110 on his left and 114-114 on his right buttock.

 

You're correct when you say we all saw what happened in the fight & as for being real about it there was a poll on here where I believe it was something like 90 percent for a GGG win...I can understand you probably dismissing that but no one was forced to cast a vote. You just cannot accept that it appears that yellows fights are judged in a biased slant towards him, definitely in the iron man GGG fight , just deal with it!

 

Why would I accept such a theory when I've watched the fights myself and have come nowhere near such a conclusion? You're asking me to accept the viewpoint of those who refuse to accept judges scorecards yet are unable to discuss why or debate the details when pressed about it.

Lets see if you're up for the challenge : How did you score Canelo Golovkin and which rounds did you give to Golovkin? I'll give you my scorecard :

I had Canelo winning Rounds 1-4 and Rounds 10-12. The middle rounds Golovkin got some momentum and arguably won rounds 5-9, though 5 was pretty much a toss up (as was round 4) and in 6 8 and 9 Canelo landed some bombs. Even if you give all those rounds that Canelo landed bombs on Golovkin to Golovkin I still have Canelo winning 7-5.

 

Your incorrect I am not "ASKING" you to accept ...its the facts ...plus i do not care 1 Iota what YOU had in your tiny biased canelo mindset...you're clearly biased against anything that is GGG.... mental issues run in the family ?