Will anybody ever beat Canelo on the scorecards again

Man, I'm sorry but no. Just no. I don't care who anyone roots for or against but there is no way Canelo won round 7. You are way off the mark here. Golovkin: 16/58 Canelo 12/38 while being walked down the entire round. I don't see how it's even possible to see Canelo as the winner of that round. Not saying Golovkin landed bombs but Canelo didn't land anything noteworthy over Golovkin. Round 7 was a round Canelo clearly took off and was tired in.

Here is a link with 339 people who scored the fight and 93% scored that round for Golovkin: [url]http://mmadecisions.com/decision/8418/Gennady-Golovkin-vs-Sa%C3%BAl-%C3%81lvarez[/url]

 

Of course just like I thought Jacbos beat ggg and the draw with Canelo was a good call,We all have different opinions

 

LaRun had his chance but ran instead

 

LOL Yeah but my call is based on the best man in the fight gets the win yours your fav fighter takes it

 

He made good on his chance, regardless of whether people want to interpret his style as "running".

Two judges and most fans got that one very wrong.

 

I think I'm stating to see a pattern with you. You give Canelo no breaks do you?

 

I did give him the sixth against Golovkin, which hardly anybody else did.

 

LOL Maybe IB doesn't give him breaks hut he's sure had enough breaks (gifts) in his career

 

That's an interesting poll since there's round by round voting. What's apparent in that poll is that Rounds 1-3 and 11&12 all went to Alvarez by pretty significant margins. Round 2 for example, 95% had Alvarez winning that round, a round that IB gave to Golovkin. (Which was the highest % in any round for either fighter)

Round 10 was pretty even : Golovkin 49.9%, Alvarez 48.7%.

The polling in those 6 rounds (1-3,10-12) indicates that a draw is very reasonable. Rounds 4-9 to no surprise are largely in favor of Golovkin. The closest out of those was Round 6. Round 5 and 7 were the highest %s for Golovkin and it's important to point out that I gave Golovkin both of those rounds.

I think despite how well Canelo did in rounds 5 and 7, particularly the first half of round 5, there are fairly obvious reasons why it's hard to give those rounds to Canelo. (the big right hand Golovkin landed with a minute left in the 5th and the way Golovkin ended the round, and Golovkin's overall activity level in the 7th)

One thing I see was that Connor Ruebusch of BadLeftHook.com scored the bout 115-113 for Canelo, who wasn't included in the media topic a while back.

 

Just to respond more specifically to your Round 7 comments, you're right that he was being walked down the entire round. The punch stats are still relatively close to where a big punch could arguably win him the round. It's possible to see Canelo in the winner of that round because of how he started and finished the round.

He did land several noteworthy punches in the 7th, some examples down the stretch of the round were the right hand he got in with 1:13 left, a solid jab with 1:08 left. After both men traded jabs, Canelo got in a nice right-left, one-two combo with 0:56 left in the round, those seemed to land pretty hard, then he blocked a Golovkin counter left. Canelo was getting hit too much this round, though he was picking off most of Golovkin's punches, some were getting in, and the reason why I thought Golovkin won this round was Canelo's defense just wasn't as tight this round as it was in the other rounds. But again we're talking about how one-sided it was. It was still relatively close when you consider that despite getting hit too much mainly by jabs from Golovkin all these quality punches Canelo landed as usual were what appeared to be the hardest punches in the round.

Canelo got in a good left hand with 0:24 left in the round in between a barrage of punches by Golovkin. Then with 0:17 left in the round Canelo landed a big uppercut that stopped Golovkin in his tracks. That uppercut was very noteworthy and better than anything Golovkin landed in the round. It's hard to see where that uppercut landed due to the camera angle but it was definitely a big punch that visibly "shook" Golovkin. Canelo then landed a pretty solid jab with 0:11 seconds left.

Canelo landed a bomb in that round, the uppercut with 17 seconds left. Golovkin landed more punches than Canelo in this round, but none of them were bombs. You could give Canelo the round for the uppercut, and some of his other punches, but I agree that it's a hard round to give to Canelo since he was getting hit too much and he did appear to be tiring this round and covering up at times.

 

In all sincere earnest genuine honest seriousness, how many times have you watched the fight!?

 

I only watched it start to finish once I think, which was live. Since then I've just gone back and re-watched specific rounds several times, like the rounds that are being debated. The other day I watched rounds 6-9 in one sitting since those were being talked about.

 

I respect your opinion, but I really don't see how in the world that round could be given to Canelo. Not only was he outlanded, but he was outworked by a pretty big margin of 20 punches. All while being walked down. He landed a nice uppercut, but there is no way that was enough to sway the round. It was by no means a wipeout, but I don't see how any unbiased, half way decent scorer, could favor this round to Canelo. He was on his bike and visibly tired. Had he been picking Golovkin apart I would agree, but he was beaten in basically every department here.

 

Fair enough. I like most disagree with you scoring but I admire how much work you're putting into your opinion without being aggressive. It's nice to see.

 

I just had another look at round 7, and I tried to divide the round into 1/6s, into 30 second intervals to provide a sense of the flow of the round to which you can verify by watching it yourself.

Canelo started the 7th round very good. The first 30 seconds were all Canelo, until about 2:30 left in the round. Golovkin landed about 3 good punches between 2:30-2:25. Triple G really started connecting here, it was some of his best work of the fight. A great jab by TG with 2:20 left. Both fighters threw several punches between 2:20-2:05 none of them landed real clean but Canelo's punches actually caused Golovkin to react and move back. Note the jab by Canelo with 2:10 left. Hit him right on the forehead. Followed by a 1-2 by Canelo that backed Golovkin up, both appeared to be blocked but if you see all those as landed by Canelo that's a lot of punches landed. Canelo throws a jab with 2:05 left, may have been blocked but it's hard to say, Golovkin was kind of shaken by it. Then Golovkin misses a wild left hook, and Canelo beautifully counters that with a hard left hook with 2:03 left.

Now look at the exchange with 2:00 left Golovkin throws a one-two, the left missed and Canelo ducks the right, now, the right hand kinda hit Canelo on the back of his head when he was ducking, but Canelo negated all the power of that by slipping it. So that wasn't a signficant punch by Golovkin. It may have counted, who knows, but then Canelo counters with a looping right hook / upper that hits Golovin right on the ear. Now, again that was a great 10-second span by Canelo. He arugably landed a lot of punches and won that first minute in total. (not ignoring Golovkin's 3 good punches between 2:30-2:20, but Canelo just appeared to slip more and land more punches in total)

So after that first minute of Round 7, I think Canelo is slightly ahead.

Right after that though Golovkin responds by Tripling the jab, two of them landed, Canelo ducked under one of them. Golovkin them misses a jab short with 1:58 left. Canelo's moving away, Golovkin throws a one-two the right seemed to catch Canelo on the forehead, not too hard but it landed. Canelo gets in a jab at 1:51 left in the round, and it causes G's jab attempt to be parried. Canelo feints Golovkin with 1:48 left, gets Golovkin to retreat back to middle ring.

Now look at how hard Golovkin his starting breath here. He takes a few deep breaths and comes forward, Canelo covers up on the ropes, he appears to avoid a right hand by Golovkin (close) then Golovkin gets in a jab. Canelo responds with a few jabs, Golovin gets in a jab at about the 1:30 mark. With 1:23 left Canelo gets in a jab as Golovkin's jab is blocked. Both men miss jabs with 1:22 left then at 1:21 Golovkin throws a right hand which Canelo appears to narrowly avoid by moving to his left. So Canelo still avoiding Golovkin's attempts at big punching. Though Canelo does look gassed, so does Golovkin. Golovkin is breathing much harder than Canelo here. Golovkin is taking in big breaths, but then with 1:16 left Golovkin gets Canelo back to the ropes and lands another jab.

Canelo blocks a few punches then Canelo lands a jab of his own at 1:13 left. Canelo finishes the 2nd minute with slipping a punch and countering with a jab with 1:08 left. Then Canelo moves to his left, slips a right hand from Golovin and counters with what appeard to be a hard body shot by Canelo. Golokin then misses a counter left wildly with 1:01 left.

I could go through the rest of the round but that's the first two minutes. I mean this is pretty close. Canelo has landed about as many punches as Golovkin at this point. So heading down the stretch of this round, it's pretty damn even. The idea that Golovkin won the first 2 minutes clearly is not the case.

Don't get me wrong, Golovkin did some of his best work in this round, particuarly the 3 punches in a row with about 2:30 left in the round, and he had his moments in the middle minute. But so did Canelo, Canelo at the end of the first minute negated a lot of Triple G's offense, and I really liked that counter left hand after he ducked that punch by Triple G with about 2:00 left.

Canelo was getting in offense in this round, but he was getting hit more than usual, and covering up too much. So it's truly yet another close round but one that I can give to Golovkin. But as far as Trella giving this round to Canelo, surely he took note of how many of those punches were slipped by Canelo, and just how he still continued to try to keep his output right up there with Golovkin. Then the uppercut at the end of the round. Take a look through this round, particularly the punch times that I posted. Look at the first 30 seconds, look at the sequence at the end of the first minute, the sequence at the end of the second minute, the big uppercut. There are reasons to give this round to Canelo, but I agree Golovkin was busier, but he was always getting fatigued as well. In the middle of this round, Golovkin is getting winded, mouth open taking deep breaths. This is why you can reasonably have Canelo winning. Even in what may be Golovkin's best round of the fight, Canelo is still going tit for tat with him, outboxing him in spurts and landing the more eye catching punches.