Will big nog rely on his bjj the exact same amount vs schaub as he did in ufc & pride

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by horst, Aug 26, 2011.


  1. horst

    horst Guest

    :lol::lol::lol:

    If a fighter doesn't punch when he is standing, that's the ringpost or the referee you're looking at, not a fighter.
     
  2. MetalMandible

    MetalMandible Chinchecker Full Member

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    Or Shinya Aoki.
     
  3. horst

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    Release the Beekeeper!!
     
  4. Stoo

    Stoo Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Aoki knows Judo!
     
  5. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    Nyuck nyuck. Semantic quibbles aside - I'll be more specific and state that your statement "I think Nog has relied more on his boxing in the UFC than he did in Pride" is an outright falsehood that represents a complete misreading of Nogueira's entire career. That better?
     
  6. horst

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    It's more clear what you mean, but it's still wrong just the same IMO.

    Nog's fights in the UFC: 5. Wins by submission: 1. (20%)

    Nog's fights in Pride: 21. Wins by submission: 11. (>50%)

    I think Nog focused more on BJJ in his Pride days, and I think he focuses more on stand-up in his UFC days.

    You can disagree and bore me with another reply, but I'll just stick to the facts and most probably not bother responding. I've made my point.
     
  7. MetalMandible

    MetalMandible Chinchecker Full Member

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    Actually, he's exactly right. Nogueira never really tried to take opponents down right off the rip, rather he stood and boxed until they took him down, the only exception to that being the Sapp fight. The reason he had more submissions in PRIDE is because he had a great Chin at that time and actually managed to stay awake long enough to get said submission once he was put on the mat. Now he just falls over and does the curly toes convulsion.
     
  8. horst

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    Yawn. Someone find me a post where I said Nog bum-bumped round the canvas like Aoki in Pride, and I'll admit I'm wrong. Never said anything of the sort at any point. If I watch Nog in Pride, I see a helluva lot more groundwork going on than I see in his UFC fights. That was my point, and as usual it's correct despite the ultra-pedantic drama queens of the MMA forum continuing their eternal boring oneupmansship quests. Yawn. Yawn. Yawn again. :dead
     
  9. Ne5ville14

    Ne5ville14 Rationalist by default... Full Member

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py6eYmM5l6c&feature=fvst"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py6eYmM5l6c&feature=fvst[/ame]
     
  10. MetalMandible

    MetalMandible Chinchecker Full Member

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    It's nothing to do with a game of oneupmanship or a dick measuring contest, it's ****ing fact. You saw more ground work because the guy used to get taken down when he was having success on the feet and then he'd work his ground game. He wasn't shooting takedowns or constantly trying to clinch his opponent EVER, aside from the Sapp fight where he smartly DID fight like Aoki. He wasn't even shooting on Mirko until Mirko lit him up on the feet badly and THEN he started diving for his legs.

    You don't see groundwork in his UFC fights because no one has tried to take him down and he simply gets KOed before he can do what he used to do which was use his face to block punches while he got double wrist control and did his thing. That doesn't work now that he has no Chin.
     
  11. horst

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    You evidently haven't seen as much of Nogueira in Pride as I have.

    Pride 19, Nogueira fights the smaller Enson Inoue, a guy I firmly believe he could've demolished on the feet, but Nog chose to engage him on the ground for the entire fight, and got the submission win.

    The UFC version of Nog would NEVER choose to grapple the entire fight with a smaller, weaker, inferior fighter like Inoue.

    As usual, the ultra-pedantic drama queens of the MMA forum's quest for oneupmansship fails because the motive is never genuine debate, but always "I don't like this guy so I'll stick my deformed nose in" or "I don't care if I'm right but I really want to be more right than this guy".

    Same old. Check out Nog vs Inoue next time you take a breather between threads about "Mandibular Fortitude" or any of the other ancient recycled troll **** you spread about this board.

    :smoke
     
  12. MetalMandible

    MetalMandible Chinchecker Full Member

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    Oh wow, you cherry picked one fight to make your point. What did he do care with Herring? Boxed him. Coleman? Boxed him. Goodridge? Boxed him. I don't particularly for you, no, but when you're right I DO agree with you and if you'd stop playing martyr you'd realize that. You're just not right this time. Minotauro always fought the classic Brazilian style. Bang with them until they take you down, which is smart considering they all have **** takedowns.
     
  13. horst

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    So you haven't seen the Inoue fight then? Didn't think so.

    I've never seen Nog once approach a fight in the UFC the way he approached that fight.

    I also never seen him achieve anywhere near the same ratio of subs in the UFC as compared to Pride.

    Therefore, I feel comfortable saying that Nog relied more on his BJJ in Pride.

    End of (another boring MMA Forum) story. :dead
     
  14. horst

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    I really don't want to spend all of my UFC Rio build-up night going back and forth with an obscenely pedantic and boring troll, will bore the tits off what is meant to be a great evening, thus I have changed the title of this thread to:



    Will big nog rely on his bjj the exact same amount vs schaub as he did in ufc & pride

    (despite the fact he never grapples for whole fights now nor is anywhere near as successful with his subs)




    Hopefully the MMA Forum pedantic extremists have now been satisfied, can relax, let the blood pressure subside, and talk about the likelihood of Nog successfully pulling off a sub tonight, or indeed anything more interesting than the content of the last page.


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  15. One Punch KO

    One Punch KO Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hope you were in on this lads. Wish I had more than a fiver on now.