Will Calzaghe drop to Ottke level ...

This is correct - furthermore, he even gets paid a bundle and can say goodbye to boxing in front of his biggest crowd.

When he gets very old, he can have his grandchildren sitting on his lap and tell stories of the days, when he dared meet the mythical ATG dane Kessler.

And should he win, then the story will become even more juicy for the grandkids.

 

I can't think of any SMWs he should have fought that would be higher aiming. Maybe FW should have pulled a few strings to land the Ottke fight.

But he should have fought and he could have moved up or met some at catchweight:

Taylor
Hopkins
RJJ
Tarver
Winky

Would have been the fights that his fans should have craved for him to fight, and they didn't. He should have put pressure on FW to land those fights.

Like you have said concerning Kessler; he should have fought those at any price, the reward would come later.

The bums you mention should be better than the ones that Kessler fought - they were title fights.

As title runs - Kessler resume is way better. Mkrtchian was a bum. He could punch hard, but his only glorifying victory was the upset against Chanet Jackson. Funny you mention people such as Brewer while craping all over Siaca. Both are ****. McIntire a ****ing bum.

Veit was legitimate, so was Reid and Woodhall. Needless to say Eubank was a necessity.

 

Okay on Taylor, but Winky was IBF champ, but okay, only good enough for Shane and Tito.

Fights can always be made - its ridiculous to think otherwise - maybe they are hard to land, if a fairly unknown euro boxer insists on fighting on home soil.

RJJ and Hopkins were possible - but for some reason they had to be fought in Wales. That is not trying to land a fight, that is trying to get your way.

Tarver winning over Hopkins, when did this happen? He did get RJJs vacated belt vs Griffin.

What I find funny besides you call me dip****, is that you fail to read proberly - I clearly stated that other than Ottke I cant find any he should have faced that would have improved his status(pre-2004). And he should have fought out of his weightclass or at catchweight. It wasn't impossible since they did try.

So I ask again, how can you be happy with the names he has fought, when he has tried to land the big ones, and has still failed.

So if you wanna call me dip****, please dont be such a ****ing tool in the process.

 

**** you are so ****ing yawn man. Your eyes are so colored that its unbelievable. You praise limited fighters that hold no belts, no value.

If you think Beyer was worth something just before he was stopped by Kessler, why didnt JC fight him?

Are you just calling Mundine decent, if so, then JC only fought one good fighter in Eubank, whom was past it, called in late.

But hey I wasnt thrashing his resume, if you read the thread you would know that I think it matters little, because I still think JC is great, but his resume does not rank as highly as his skills.

And there is absolutely no excuse for him to fight Bika and Manfredo after shutting down the IBF champ. Overrated or not.

 

He can post fakes all he wants, but I can't take a man serious, that inflates one man's opposition and deflates the other, when some of the deflated ones beat the inflated. While ignoring the fact that the inflated were title fights, while the others were buildups.

 

Funnily enough I really though that Mundine and Andrade were fighters of this generation? What does it matter that Beyer got gift decisions, how does that have anything to do with Kessler? The "bum" Mundine is the WBA champ, and is ranked 3rd in the division, despite his losses. And this generation has more talent that the former.

Its not unheard of to meet at catchweight - it has been done before. He was still fairly well known in Europe due to his contracts with french promotion, and he was IBF champ - but okay. The big names fought him eventually, just not JC.

I agreed that Taylor was a relatively mistake on my count. Funny is that everyone but JC can land fights. He must be the most feared man on earth.

How can you defend that JC don't wanna travel, when he has clearly stated on several occations that he would love to fight in US? How can he be well known in US, if he dont wanna travel to the bigger names?

Are you saying Hopkins wasnt office gold in 2003? He had already beaten worldbeater Tito. Tarver was a bigger fish, coz JC only wants to fight in his backyard - that is not willingness to negotiate.

Unlike you I am not trying to build up my fighter, we are discussing JCs resume, you just like to thrash Kesslers to give your hollow arguements some substance, but yes, Eubank(10 years ago), Reid(8 years ago) and Lacy(recent) are all okay wins.

Losses dont mean ****, and you should know this. I rate Mundine above Andrade. I rate Beyer above Veit - so it doesnt mean anything.

Exactly resumes wont matter on fight night, but we werent debating Kessler at all. Hell, I wasnt even debating with you, you just pitched in, which is okay, but stick to the subject, or dont bash me for changing it or adding to it, when you are doing it.

Sad you are using labels of the ignorant that you, yourself are trying to eliminate by saying that Lacy, Manfredo and Bika will be WCs. An educated boxing fan will realize that Kessler is no euro bum. Sadly you fail at class.

 

Oh really - I was really under the impression that everything you have thrown at me since March has been thrashed as worthless uneducated ramblings of a madman. All sealed in a proven package.

Funny thing is, that only you agree with your assertions, none other.

 

WTF - are you accusing me of bitching on who faced who? 90% of your postings have been related to that issue.

Furthermore I wasn't refering on people's predictions on end result, but the assessments on the fighters. I have no problem that you think that JC will win, but saying that Kessler is a bum, and has only fought bums are stupid, even for a provocative poster like yourself.

Seriously, I have tried, but you keep ignoring facts being represented to you, and I keep forgiving you.

 

Imo. ... forget it Dane. Discuss with other people. Blocky is like a bad mood cancer. A cronic internet tourettes.

I have observed that he has tried to avoid the namecalling etc. in a couple of his own threads, but even there he slips faster than Paris Hilton on a night out.

Just let him be.

 

What is ludcrous is your hailing of mediocre fighters like Sheika, Brewer and McIntyre, while calling Mundine, Beyer decent.

I am not going anywhere, will you promise to do the same?

 

I really thought he was on the right track. Guess he dropped the mask of Harlequin in the process.

 

How do you know that Beyer is shot? Because Kessler stopped him in three? If so, would you say the same of Eubanks if he had stayed down in 1st round vs green JC? Furthermore he has only lost 2 other fights - Glenn Catley and Sanavia, and the latter was quickly revenged. There is no proof that he is shot.

Mundine has somehow managed to get not one, not two - but three shots at a title. A title which he is in possession of. Pretty okay, for a **** fighter that loses everytime he steps it up.

Sheika went on to loose to Eric Lucas and Beyer. Both of which Kessler dominated easily. He even lost to Pemberton, who in turn managed to loose to Manfredo - a club fighter.

Why would JC waste his breath on an up-and-coming fighter that had only faced tomatocans? Oh well, he did, and McIntyre never amounted to anything.

Why would I listen to your assessment, when most of your evidence is false or fabricated?

Your last statement just emphasize your moronic claims. Blocky, you are a funny guy, and therefore I can't take you seriously. I bet if they asked you, you would say: "No they are not all ****, just Kessler. Brewer and McIntyre;mr. B- lvl and C lvl fighter are better than Kessler."

 

Just for the fun of it - besides Calzaghe - who other do you believe at 168 that will show the world that Kessler is ****?

 

Just because the fight was fairly even when the fight was stopped, doesn't mean that Bika would have won. If that was the case, then Cotto and PBF would have lost to Zab, and Bute would have lost to Bika.

You keep saying that I am not worth your time, and yet you come back with some retort.

Before you go, could you please state which of my arguements that aren't sound?, so I can rectify it!

 

In fact, Beyer was angry that his promoters chose Kessler and not Calzaghe.
He really thought he stood a chance against Calzaghe.