Will Calzaghe ever be Ring P4P No 1 ?

Joe beating Kessler and an old Hopkins did boost him up the rankings. Beating RJJ who wasn't in the top ten and was knocked out by Tarver and Johnson should do little to nothing for his ranking and legacy. If Joe C is interested in legacy, then he should fight Johnson and Dawson.

 

i think it is a bit bollocks they didnt move him up after the jones win.
i know jones aint up with the big boys anymore but the way calzaghe beat should count for something.
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How the hell could you move him up for beating a guy who wouldn't be considered a top 30 fighter, nevermind a top 10.

I don't hate Joe; he is actually no.2 in the world in my list (behind Pac and ahead of JMM), but lets be honest here, a win over a shopworn Roy Jones, no matter the manner of victory, does nothing for him - it was a money fight plain and simple.

 

I have had him at #3, and don't see that changing without a couple of guys getting KO'd.

 

who cares ?

 

:happy

 

No, I think he isn't willing to take the dangerous fights and face the tough opponents that would warrant a #1 P4P ranking (I have no problem with him being #2 though). Remember Pac fought Barrerra, Morales, and JMM twice each, moved up weight classes and taken belts, and now is putting himself in harms way making a match with DLH. In contrast, Calzaghe has just been too risk adverse throughout his career, unwilling or unable to take extremely tough fights that would make him a canidate for #1 P4P over Pac. Joe is still a great fighter though

 

Personally, I was insulted that Calzaghe even suggested that beating Jones would be a career-defining legacy sealer. If that's not trying to pull the wool over people's eyes I don't know what is. It actually worked to some degree in Britain.

 

Ring's P4P is based on who've you've beaten for the most part.....not how many people you beat

and at the end of the day it makes since does it not? just like the saying goes "to be the best, you have to beat the best",

and when you look at their resumes and how many champs they've beaten...

Pac - David Diaz, JMM, Barrerra, Morales, Oscar Larios, Jorge Eliecer Julio, Agapito Sanchez, Ledwaba, Sasakul, 6 division champ

JMM - Cassamayor, Barrerra, Gainer, Medina, Peden, Jiminez, Agapito Sanchez, plus a draw with Pac and a close loss to Pac, 3 division champ

Calz - Jones Jr, Bhop, Kessler, Lacy, Mitchell, Brewer, Reid, Eubank, Woodhall, 2 division champ

so yeah....no matter how you look at it, Pac is the #1 fighter in the world he's beaten the best fighters which means he is the best, he's pretty much in a class of his own resume wise

but.....you could make an argument for him being #2 p4p.....but i'd say the thing that sets them apart is JMM is a 3division champ (very rough divisions at that) and he had a draw and somewhat controversial loss to the #1 p4p fighter in the world

and the division calzaghe ruled was basically a grave yard


so yeah, basically Calzaghe will never be #1 P4P, or atleast i dont see it happening

 

(1) In my mind, and a lot of others, there is quite a bit to choose (in relation to Pac and Calzaghe, not so much JMM and Calzaghe).

(2) Calzaghe fought a washed-up Roy Jones, while Pac is piling on a tremendous amount of weight (in relation to his body type, and the weight division he started out in) to take on a DLH who recently gave P-4-P supremo Floyd Mayweather all he could handle. There is a hell of big difference there.

(3) The Ring magazine doesn't pick who fight their champions, and if they hyped up the match-up as more an an even fight than everyone knew it wasn't, its because they are a boxing magazine and don't like to portray a supposed superfight as a mismatch.

(4) I don't know how anyone could move Joe up the rankings for the win over Jones.

(5) I think the Ring's credibility will be pretty intact in regard to this matter in 20 years time.

(6) See point 4 above.

 

Well calzaghe keeps winning so he is number 1, Pac and JMM have lost,
Joe has not,
So I would put him at number 1 based on that.

 

I has nothing whatsoever to do with the Ring magazine who JC fights or does not fight....worthyness does not come into it. A Ring "champ" can fight and beat as many Tocker Pudwills as he likes and he will still retain his Ring "title"....thems the rules

 

thats ridiculous

just because you're undefeated doesn't mean you're the best....

Andre Berto undefeated at WW....but clearly not the best, because he hasn't beaten the best fighters

Chagaev, Povetkin....both undefeated, but neither are the best HW in the world

Froch, Inkin.....undefeated, neither are the best SMWs in the world

Timothy Bradley.....Undefeated, not the best jr.welterweight in the world

people are too stuck on records, SRR was not undefeated yet he's the greatest of all time.......undefeated records are great, but they're just superficial most the time