Will Cotto ever be as good as Tito?

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  1. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Cotto is a good fighter and has shown recently that he's getting better. He's under 30 and he's accomplished alot but as far as being as good as Tito, its very hard for me to imagine.

    I'm not talking about going head to head but as far as the direction of their careers. I don't see Cotto making as big of leap as Tito has, but can Cotto make an impression on the welterweight division the same way Tito did?

    I know its a hard standard to live up to ... WW record 17 title defenses, unifying the belts, and fighting a hand full of contenders/former champions who were popular in their own right after fighting Tito.

    Even if he took an "L" here to PBF
     
  2. Shaolin Box

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    Cotto has the advantage of time on his hand. He can rack up some big wins over the next few years and that might make bim the better of the two as far as accomplishments. A loss to PBF (if that happens) will be more devasting than you think
     
  3. fitzgeraldz

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    I don't think so ... The difference between Tito and Cotto is that Cotto stayed too long at 140 ... by the time Tito was 26 he'd already defended his belt 17 times, beat DLH (who was undefeated) and beat Yori Boy Campos (55-0) and Pernell Whitaker ....

    I think the advantage that Cotto has over Tito is that he can rely on his boxing skills rather than just power.

    Cotto's career can last longer because of his ability to box more and he won't take any giant leaps in weight ...
     
  4. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think that a win over Floyd would put him about equal with Tito if he can follw something like that up with a couple of other big wins and clean out the division he will probably pass Tito.
     
  5. Quik

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    Cotto is a better fighter than Tito was IMHO. Trinidad was one dimentionnal and not versatile at all while Cotto can pressure, slug, box and counterpunch.

    As far as accomplishments goes, I don't think he will ever do as much as Tito since he will have to face way better comp at his natural weight then Tito ever did. Also, i don't think he can earn a title above 154 because at that point Tito still had his tremendous power while Cotto relies more on his physical strenght which wont serve him above JMW.

    And in popularity, no way the reserved Cotto edges Trinidad altough i personally prefer him and guys like him out of the ring...
     
  6. D_knowsboxing

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    That is why Tito got 'exposed'. As soon as his power started to fade as he ventured into higher weights, he had no boxing skills to fall back on. He would try to muscle the heavier weight fighters, and to them his power was above average and not extraordinary like it was in WW.

    Cotto has more boxing skill than Tito, hands down. But I don't think he can surpass what tito did, he can hope to equal it.
     
  7. fitzgeraldz

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    Tito was a great boxer, but he thought that he could knock anyone out and once he didn't knockout B-Hop it was too late in the fight to do anything. Tito's corner was like "don't worry tito we'll knock him out"

    Tito boxed good against RJJ but didn't have the pop to be effective.

    I'm not saying that one is a better boxer than the other but Cotto will elect to box when needed and won't assume that he's going to get the knockout.
     
  8. fitzgeraldz

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    I disagree with you saying that Cotto has more comp at his natural weight. I think that the WW division was even deep back then than it is now.

    Its soo dificult to say that Cotto is better even though Cotto does alot of things better - but looking back Tito made things look easy and never retreated against anyone ...

    I don't think Tito was one dimensional because Tito was KO'ing guys so much that it took away from his boxing skills. He more times than not had to dig deep and slug it out rather than box but he could box.
     
  9. D_knowsboxing

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    Tito's latest outting against RJJ just proved what I was talking about regarding his power. When he tried to go to the body against RJJ, it was obviously ineffective. Tito's power wasn't extraordinary it was average at best. This was mainly b/c tito didn't want to get into reasonable shape for this fight. Tito was a head hunter, and when people boxed him, he didn't have an answer. If tito is going to continue boxing he needs to rededicate himself to training so he can get down to 154 or 160 where is power will be more of a factor. Above those two weight classes, he is just an average fighter.
     
  10. fitzgeraldz

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    agreed
     
  11. Quik

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    IMO, Tito's power made it look easy but if you can neutralize it like De La Hoya did (and Wright and Hopkins later did altought not at WW) you have nothing else to worry about.

    Cotto has more tools in his package and even tought he doesn't have anything flashy like Tito's power, he is a better all arround fighter IMO and that's what makes him more difficult to beat and a better fighter that Tito was.

    The competition is way better now than it was at Welter weight when Tito was on top. De La Hoya was better at that time then anyone right now but other than him there was no real threat to Tito if i remember well...
     
  12. fitzgeraldz

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    DLH did set the blueprint on how to beat Tito ... so do you think when its all said and done that Cotto can be mentioned in the same breath as Tito?
     
  13. jecxbox

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    he beat Oba Carr and Hector Camacho by this time as well.

    But I think if Cotto can clear out 147lbs I think he will be close.
     
  14. D_knowsboxing

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    I think if cotto come out of his currently scheduled fights unscathed, then gets his shot at PBF, then we'll have something to talk about when comparing him to Tito. right now, he is still climbing the ladder.
     
  15. bronx

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    Puertorican here and love both of these guys but, Tito will always be my favorite!

    Cotto definitely has a more complete skill set.

    Trinidad caried Legendary power at 147 and 154 he is with out a doubt, in the Tommy Hearns and Ray Robinson league in terms of power and history is very kind to big punchers.

    Tito was a bit more accomplished by the time he was 27, than Cotto is now.

    But if, and this is a big if, Cotto can beat PBF convincigly, I beleive that it will eclipse any of Tito's wins and propel him as an equal or just a slight notch above the Great Tito Trinidad.

    Now Tito has only lost to the best fighters of his era, and a loss in the next three years to anybody would derail Cottos chances of getting there.