Will Cotto finish his career with a better resume then Mayweather?

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Gatti is a former titlist, and has fought WWWWAAAYYY better comp than any of those guys.

And Cotto would lose to everyone DLH lost too, and badly.

 

The point is, I am not sure how powerful or good those fighters were. When PBF beat the guys he beat, we knew how good they were.

With Cotto we are playing wait and see. For him AND the fighters he fought. These guys could turn out to be average fighters or even journeyman.

 

This is a great post Novi.:good

 

How about brutally dominating the best version of Judah since Spinks 2?

Quintana is a 2nd tier, about on the level of Clottey, Margo, Baldomir etc.

I am sick of Clottey being overrated for one, especially since he struggled heavily with Gutierez, whom is 3rd tier at best and gets his recognition from brutalising the shitty and overrated Margarito before breaking his hands.

Yet Margarito is to be taken seriously? Pfft. Cotto wipes the floor with this guy and that's yet another notch.

 

Yes, but lets be realistic.

Baldomir, Gatti, and Ndou were certainly on the same level as the fighters that Cotto has already beaten. Ndou is certainly every bit as good (or was) and was higher ranked than most of the fighters Cotto has fought. We are judging PBF by a different standard than Cotto.

The original question is can he pass PBF. I answered he certainly has a shot.

However, Nova says that Cotto has fought great opposition. I don't believe he has and that's entirely different than what the thread starter asked, which is what the post you quoted is addressing. He has fought some good fighters, but no great ones. And we aren't sure how good those fighters are. Malignaggi, Maussa, etc.....compare them to Gatti, Baldomir, etc. They are at the very least equal, and probably favor PBF a bit considering that Baldomir beat Cotto's best win so far. In other words, they can't "blow it" for PBF's resume, but the same level fighter enhances Cotto's.

 

He could. Will he? Real hard to say right now.

 

We can tell how good some are just by watchint their ability and skill level however, you don't need concrete paper wins JUST YET to tell that a fighter is better than another...

And I already gave examples on how the highly regarded and overrated Clottey would make little difference and how Judah is a superior victory than Margarito.

 

That was out of other peoples ignorance. PBF beat those 2 fighters AFTER they were champions and when they were holding belts. And those fighters won more than alphabet titles. Before they fought each other, Castillo has already beaten Casamayor and Johnston.

Maussa won A title, and then lost it immediately. He is 3-3 in his last 6 fights.

Malignaggi's best win has been against an old Lovemore Ndou.

Those guys accomplished no where NEAR what Corrales or Castillo did BEFORE they fought PBF. Not to mention after.

 

We can GUESS at how good we THINK they are. Not tell.....you and I have both made mistakes when judging a fighter. I would bet a ton of money that if Clottey fought Judah that Judah would be beaten badly. Wins and Losses are the only concrete way to tell anything. And who the wins and losses are against.

Maussa is not very good. Malignaggi is a good but not great fighter. Quintana is a good not great fighter. Cotto has not beaten a great fighter. His competition has been good....it is not great. Neither in fact is PBF's.

 

Good post, Couldnt say it better.thumbsupthumbsupthumbsupthumbsup

 

But you don't understand, I would have said before this thread was opened that Maussa is subpar, Malignaggi is very good, but not great and that Quintana is a solid 2nd class fighter(I already stated this).

Margarito is **** ****, that's from observation. You have to look beyond the paper.

I'll up that and garauntee that the very flat footed, stationary Clottey can't deal with a quick mover. He also doesn't hit hard enough to put away Judah...

I'll take Judah over Clottey anyday, wide decision.

 

If the fight ever happens, then sure, I will bet you on it. I think he catches and plants Judah.

Margarito is **** **** to you thought observation. But his wins over solid fighters make him AT LEAST solid in my eyes.

You are missing my point. I am debating with Nova about whether Cotto has fought great competition in his career. When Judah is your best win, then no you have not fought great opposition. If were saying he has fought great competition for a new champion....maybe. But he is listed as P4P now, and that is not great comp.

 

I never thought about that match up. I think Clottey is alot more talented then you say. But he does have an akward pace and sometimes goes into his defensive shell too long. But he does have a tight D. Judah ..yeah you are right clottey style of being stationary and kind of waiting to counter would not fair well with a speed in and out guy. They would beat him to the punch everytime. I see I have some boxing analytic competition on here..lol:think:think:think:think:think:think:think:think:think:think:think:think:think:think