Will Floyd Jr. Ever get respect?

Oh ****, who got Cmoney back on the spaddy wagon,atsch . Please stop, you cannot win an argument with him on this subject. Me, being a bull headed guy gave in and acknowledged defeat. I suggest others do as well. He has more evidence on the subject then you think. :yep

 

What are you talking about. His skills and accomplishments are two things that are NEVER in question by anyone who knows boxing. He has the respect of the sport and its followers. He just doesn't get the kind of RESPECT that he is looking for outside of the ring....and that's because his personality blows when he's putting on a front like he's gangster when he's clearly not. He speaks well when he wants to, he's very respectful to his foes after the fight and he seems to be a loving father. It's when he wants to show off and play to his sterotype that causes him to be viewed in a dimmer light. But he has Respect.

 

PAC is anther person who gets plenty of RESPECT by knowledgable boxing fans....the only difference between PAC and Floyd is PAC also gets respect outside of the sport due to his humbleness and very freindly demeanor.

 

Good for Pac. I only mentioned Pac to show that Mayweather is plenty respected by the boxing community. Most knowledgeable boxing fans, with the exception of Pac fans, view Mayweather as the #1 P4P fighter. This is no knock on Pac. It just so happens that his fans are very biased towards him. It sometimes clouds their judgement , which is why many of them make ludacris statements such as Pac is the #1 p4p fighter in the sport. Any objective, knowledgeable fan knows this isn't the case.

 

you miss understood....there were LOTS of fights where people thought Floyd would lose or even be in trouble or challenged its not his fault he made the fight look easy.....thats just a testimony to his talent. Oscar is no slouch name another fighter comming from 130 who could beat Oscar today? There probally aren't any. Oscar though on the downslide would still be a tough task just look at the Mayorga fight a smaller fighter who tried and got dismantled and i distinctly remember lots of reporters and analysis saying Oscar doesn't look to have lost a step but Floyd convincingly won by negating Oscars big left, height, jab, and reach and now we have oscar over the hill.

You say he hasnt fought anyone at those three weights but he has and fought champs at that again those weights classes you listed are 10, 17, and 24 lbs heavier than his starting weight. At 147 he definitley should get credit for beating Baldo and Zab who both were thought to give Floyd a tough challenge. We know the outcome of those easy victories but again thats testimony to Floyd's talent he is just that good at what he does and executing. You bring up Mosley but he went after Mosley already Mosley declined for whatever reasons but now Floyd MUST accept whenever Mosley says his name? Come on.....Floyd said no but he is fighting another P4P fighter who AGAIN some are expecting Floyd to lose or be challenged.....now when Floyd whens easily against Hatton....then i gurantee the same people who said its a 50/50 fight or Hatton is gonna win or its gonna be close will be the same people all of a sudden to say he doesnt fight fighters who can challenge him when thats bull because before most of Floyds fights people say one thing then after the outcome they sing a different tune...a lot of hypocrites(pardon the spelling if thats wrong.)

 

Everyone respects his record and his talent, but he will never get the the same kind of respect and adulation that many boxers receive because to put it bluntly , he is just a bit of a **** lol

He never gonna be a humble hero warrior type, but at the other end of the scale he aint got enough personality and edge to be the distardly villian, so in the end he comes across as a bit tacky, and a bit of a clown that takes himself too seriously.

 

The funny thing about the P4P list is that its not a science...it's more of an educated opinion and can never be held as "FACT". Most would say Floyd is the better fighter P4P but that is mostly due to his Unmatched Skill and craft. But in terms of who has faught the tougher schedule and the dominating performance behind that would lead some to believe that deserves higher accolades than someone not testing themsleves at the highest level.

It's not just PAC fans that are biased...it's Floyd fans as well. Fans of the sport are more able to voice an unbaised opinion. I'm a fan of the sport as a whole. While the P4P rankings are subjective the accomplishments, skill and opposition are not. Floyd and PAC are two of the best boxers in the sport and to say that a "Knowledgeable" boxing fan knows floyd is without question the best P4P boxer is comical. I had PAC ahead of Floyd before Floyd beat DLH. After Floyd beat DLH in a VERY close fight I felt he took the #1 P4P spot from Manny.

There are many Knowledgeable, objective boxing fans who don't have your opinion or persective...I just hope you are educated enough in this sport to understand that.

 

I agree, there is no exact science involved in formulating a p4p list. However, the whole point of a p4p ranking system in the first place is to determine who would beat who if size wasn't an issue. Based on this, talent and head to head are a big factor in determining who the better p4p fighter is. Resume also comes into play. You don't know how good somoeone is until they've proved it against good fighters. As far as talent and head to head are concerned, Floyd is certainly ahead of Pac. When looking at their resumes, Pac has built his career off of two fights. The first fight with MAB, and the second fight with Morales. Meanwhile Floyd has won 6 titles in 5 divisions, including 3 linear titles. With all of this being said, the objective, knowledgeable fan is pretty clear on who is number 1.

" it was not an overly impressive performance and reinforced that those folks who rank Pacquiao No. 1 on the pound-for-pound list are lying to themselves. Pacquiao is a terrific fighter and an exciting fighter, but to rank him ahead of Floyd Mayweather Jr. is a joke. It's simply ridiculous. Pacquiao should be No. 2 with a big gap between him and No. 1 "Pretty Boy."

This is what ESPN boxing columnist Dan Rafeal had to say about the subject right after Pac's recent fight. I'm not alone on this one.

 

True p4p is a mythical title but it based on hard facts , so the "WE DON'T REALLY KNOW" does not come into play hear.

 

If you read the entire post, you'll see the criteria. You'll also see that I wrote that there is no exact science to determining a p4p list. Who the best team in the NFL is is also an opinion. However, you'll have a hard time convincing someone that the Rams are better than the Patriots. Just becaue it's based on opinion, doesn't mean there can't be a general consensus.