Will Floyd Mayweather become more well appreciated as time goes on?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by LD Boxer-Puncher, Nov 10, 2017.


  1. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's your take and thats fine. Personal, since Corrales, and esp at welter he would never fight a Delahoya or a Moseley in their primes, he's never shown the inclination to fight the top competition when they were still top competition so we still wouldn't know.
     
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  2. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agree with a lot of what you said here, though I would disagree that DLH and Mosley were still top fighters. There best days were clearly WELL past them, as shown by their performances after. Though the Cotto win and Alvarez win have gone up as time has progressed
     
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  3. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not a chance.
     
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  4. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fomerly great fighters that are past their best can still be top fighters. DLH came off winning a title in a convincing performance against Mayorga and Mosley was p4p ranked and came off winning a title against Margarito in a great performance. He really looked aces against Margarito. No one ever hurt Antonio like that, before or after.
     
  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sounds strange to me, but I don't know what kind of offers were on the table.
     
  6. Drew101

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    Henry Armstrong, maybe...But Chocolate did a lot of his best work at featherweight, and Canzoneri did most of his best work at 135lbs.
     
  7. Dubblechin

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    He beat two lineal Middleweight champs (Canelo and Cotto), a lineal Super Welterweight champ (De La Hoya), four lineal Welterweight champs (Pacquiao, Mosley, Judah and Baldomir), one lineal Super Lightweight champ (Hatton), three lineal Lightweight champs (Corrales, Castillo and Marquez), and a lineal Super Featherweight champ (Hernandez).

    He never lost. Never tied. Was the richest athlete in all of sports.

    And when MMA surpassed boxing as the top combat sport in the world, he came out of retirement at age 40 and knocked out their biggest star.

    Yeah, I think he’ll be more appreciated as time goes on.
     
  8. BCS8

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    That, sure, why not.

    But "TBE"? Gimme a break.
     
  9. LD Boxer-Puncher

    LD Boxer-Puncher Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ah, see you're also getting confused. As I also never one bit denied that it's a bit part of rating a fighter, I can't quite understand why you're suggesting I have.

    I've already stated earlier in the thread, unbeaten records, quality of opponent on the record, technical ability of the fighter themselves and also things like number of title defenses and years reigning so on and so forth all come into it.

    Mayweather's quality of opponent is very impressive, that's all I said, not the best but still nonetheless very impressive. Something I'd imagine you'd still deny, as would most who agree with you. It's some of the other reasons which put him up there for me, to answer your question.

    Noone said it wasn't a big part of it.

    50-0 does not fail, it's still one of the highest records of unbeaten runs there has been, so it ranks extremely highly.

    Floyd Mayweather doesn't fail the "eye test" against anyone. He's the most talented there's been, he ranks at the very top of that for me (again an opinion, which you'll likely try not to let me have).
    McGregor was competitive? Hahahahaha... Are you sure it's not you who started watching boxing in August?

    Pacquiao and Mayweather were the top 2 pound for pound when they fought. Just because it didn't go how you wanted it to and it was an awful fight to watch, doesn't change that, no matter how much you want it to.

    To call Canelo green at that stage is going way too far.
    And you've tried using 2 fights to dispell his record, both of which were argued with moot points.

    What's wrong with me being honest? I dislike the man, but hugely respect him as a fighter and think everyone should. If that makes it that I live in his underwear drawer then so be it.

    When anyone is hesitant to even credit him whatsoever it makes it evident they're bitter about his career because he's a ****. One of the the main points of this thread.
     
  10. KuRuPT

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    They weren't STILL great fighters though, it doesn't matter that they once were, they weren't at the time Floyd fought them. I'm not honestly thinking you're saying that doesn't matter, and it only matters that they were once great right? Because really, the shape they are in for the fight, is THE most important thing when weighing the merits of a win. Oscar wasn't an active fighter at that point. The Mayorga win was 1 year prior to the Floyd fight, and the fight prior to Mayorga was almost 2 years prior. The wasn't active, and again, that is a big issue for a boxer. To say nothing of him also being further past his best. Again, we see something similar with Mosley, while he looked great against Margarito, that was almost a year and a half prior to the May fight. He was past his best, and not active, which frankly, is near the worst recipe you can have for a fighter
     
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  11. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Canelo was very green at the world stage. Which fights of his prior was against elite competition? He had one notable win prior. Further, he was required to fight at a catch weight below where he was comfortable fighting and just had been fighting. Why make him come down in weight if your goal is to fight the best of the best at their best? There is no reason to do so other than to try and gain an edge in a fight correct?
     
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  12. KuRuPT

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    But... based on your criticism of Whitaker, and of which May was worse, May never went for the kill in another of those fights. He didn't go for the KO, and was content to get a UD victory. You cited that as a big fault in Whitaker, and I guess I'll add that here for May.
     
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  13. Dubblechin

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    He didn't? Are you telling me Mayweather-Hernandez, Mayweather-Corrales, Mayweather-Hatton, and Mayweather-McGregor went the distance?

    I must've been watching a different feed than you were. On mine, he stopped them all.
     
  14. Flash24

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    If were going by name recognition those fighters you named SOUNDS great. But, everyone you named had some serious or very serious question marks by the time Mayweather fought them. With the exception of Hatten, and Corrales. Hatten fought at welter only one time, it was against Mayweather (a big money fight for him. it made sense financially) Mayweather was the better welter and better fighter
    of course. But everyone who knows anything about boxing knew that weight advantage and the fact Hatten was easy to hit, he was tailor made for Mayweather everyone knew that going in. I never complain about the Corrales win. At jr.light, he was at his most dynamic, and very few fighters in the history of the game could've beat him at that weight. But my question is always this for his fans. How many fighters he defeated outside Canalo had real success after he fought them? That tells me, and should tell any fight fan what those fighters had left in the tank. Outside Canelo I cant think of any. That's very telling if you don't have blinders on.
     
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  15. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sure great opponents .. but not when they were at their best .. that's the point I guess we don't agree. Moore is a great opponent but not when he fought Marciano, Dempsey was a great opponent but not when he fought Tunney, Louis was a great opponent but when he fought Marciano, DLH was a great opponent but not when he fought Floyd, Mosley was a great opponent but not when he fought Floyd, etc ..
     
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