Will Floyd Mayweather become more well appreciated as time goes on?

* Cotto became lineal middleweight champion after the Mayweather fight.
* Marquez beat Pacquiao (twice on my card)
* Corrales went on to win the lineal lightweight title against Castillo, who also reigned over lightweight after Mayweather left.
* Pac defeated Bradley to become lineal.
* Famaso and Chavez both went on to win 130lb titles.

Of course, some detractors would claim that this success should be held against Mayweather, since he didn't ruin them in spite of his best efforts.

 

DLH may not have been great at that point, but based on the way he performed, he still had something left in the tank. Plus, he was still a titleholder and rated highly at 154.

Mosley may not have been great at that point, but he still wasn't that removed from the form that allowed him to beat Margarito so convincingly. Plus, he was a titleholder and was still considered a legit contender at 147lbs.

The wins don;t mean as much as they could have, but they still mean something.

 

Mayweather sacrificed legacy for money when he switched to his bad guy persona. I’m sure some of us care more about Mayweathers legacy than he does himself.

 

I said real success, meaning consistently winning . Going on long winning streaks. win 2 or 3 lose one isn't being consistent. And a very strong indicator of a fighter past his prime.

 

manny pacqiao fans think the fight out come only counts if their fighter wins lmfao

 

Winning lineal championships after the fact is an indicator that a fighter still has worth. The guys mentioned in my previous post were still winning championships after they faced FMJ.

 

I was clearly saying that they were formerly great fighters that were past their best, but still top fighters because they had recorded top wins going into their fights with Floyd.

A top fighter isn't the same as a great fighter for me. Daniel Jacobs is a top fighter imo, but he'd have to do a whole lot more for me to call him great. Hopkins at LHW was still a top fighter imo, but no longer great.

Am I mistaken, or aren't you one of those that claim that Ali was prime for FOTC? I might be wrong, just had that vague recollection.

As for Mosley and DLH, they weren't retired or anything. They were still title holders. One has to assume they were training and sparring regularly. While it isn't ideal to have that long between fights, it's two different things if you don't train at all or if you're doing actual pro training in between.

Floyd had a year between Cotto and Guerrero, almost one and a half year between Mosley and Ortiz, and almost two years between Hatton and Marquez (he was of course officially retired during that time, but as I have understood he still trained well). And many fighters have had similar gaps at times in their schedule, without it having a major impact. A recent example being the close to a year Pac had between Floyd and his rubber with Bradley. And that turned out to be his best performance of the three fights imo.

 

You're better than this, or maybe you're not, you just listed a MMA with zero prior boxing experience as a notation on his record for a KO? That speaks to how pitiful his list is when it comes to KO's. Are you under the impression Whitaker had no KO finishes? If you know he did, they you still listed the complaint over and over again. If you didn't know he did (we know this not to be true), they you were blissfully unaware of the fighter you were criticizing. Either way, May had the same flaw according to you.

 

You're high. Beating Lineal champs doesn't count unless those guys go on to win a ton of fights after you beat them?

Again, he beat two lineal Middleweight champs (Canelo and Cotto), a lineal Super Welterweight champ (De La Hoya), four lineal Welterweight champs (Pacquiao, Mosley, Judah and Baldomir), one lineal Super Lightweight champ (Hatton), three lineal Lightweight champs (Corrales, Castillo and Marquez), and a lineal Super Featherweight champ (Hernandez).

He never lost. Never tied. Was the richest athlete in all of sports.

And when MMA surpassed boxing as the top combat sport in the world, he came out of retirement at age 40 and knocked out their biggest star.

What's there to complain about? His personality?

The fact that he didn't DOMINATE EVERYONE in EVERY weight class when they were in their absolute PRIMES? Who ever did?

Please.

His career is the one that fighters from now on will ALL measure theirs against. It's already begun.

Of course, his career will be viewed more favorably years from now. Especially when other top fighters' careers don't measure up to his.

 

I certainly never said Ali was prime for that fight, in fact, I've said the polar opposite.

Having "something left" is rather relative and arbitrary right? Of course they weren't a corpse, and could still win a fight against decent competition here or there, but what exactly does that say? It's certainly not a ringing endorsement of any kind. To say nothing of, again, Mayweather dictating a fighting weight for DLH. He surprisingly didn't do that for Mosely, but again, he was also well past his best. Nobody is saying they were atrocious fighters, but they weren't GREAT or Very good by that point, which is the point I'm making and you seem to agree with right?

 

So they were consistently successful after Mayweather ? Pac at 2-1 / Maidana -1 / Guerro 2-4 / Cotto 4-2 with a nc Ortiz 3-3 / Mosley 2-5 / Marquez 6-2 (and at his natural weight,not at welter where he fought Mayweather) Hatten 2-2 / De ly hoya 1-1 but only 5-2 PRIOR to Mayweather. Bladimir 6-6 / Judah 7-5 / ETC If that's what consistent to you.......... OK.

 

Ok, I' remembered wrong. Sorry.

It wasn't me who said they had "something left".

I said they were still top fighters, as in among the best in their division at the time. Mosley was actually p4p ranked, and I think he had earned that distinction with KO wins over Mayorga and Margarito. But it's always hard to know how fast someone detoriates at that age. He had most probably lost something since the fight with Margarito, but that was on the other hand a very, very good performance.

DLH was only 34 and always seemed to keep in good shape, so I don't think he had lost that very much. He also looked quite spirited in the fight against Floyd.

It's not like either Mosley or DLH looked lost in there against Floyd. If anything they looked more competitive than for example Cotto or Canelo.

 

Is this how you rate all fighters?

Do you think Rocky Marciano sucks because Joe Louis went 0-0 after losing to him and Walcott went 0-1 and LaStarza went 4-5?

Does Dempsey suck because Tunney went 2-0 after beating him and Firpo went 6-3 and Jess Willard went 1-1? Does Tunney suck because Gibbons went 0-0 and Dempsey went 0-1 after fighting him?

If I asked you if Wlad Klitschko will be viewed more favorably years from now, are you going to say NO, because Calvin Brock went 0-0, and Sultan Ibragimov 0-0 and Lamon Brewster went 5-4 and Corrie Sanders went 3-2 and David Haye went 3-1?

So, to hell with him?

Most fighters are viewed in higher regard when they retire because all this petty garbage and nitpicking you're trotting out is put in proper perspective.

 

Hey Flash24, does the fact that Deuk-Koo Kim didn't have any wins after he lost to Mancini lower Mancini's standing for you?

 

Hey Flash. Does Nigel Benn drop in standing because Gerald McClellan didn't string together enough wins for you after Benn beat him?