Will Floyd Mayweather become more well appreciated as time goes on?

From 130 to 147 over a 15 year period he faced most of the relevant fighters, plus took some good scalps at 154.

When you do that, in any era, you're bound to come across quite a few good fighters.

 

i gues his stock will go up a little, but he only damaged it by claiming he was best ever. Guy needs a better promotion team, they threatened to kill his career by letting him say that.

Though when he said it you could see he was lying though his teeth the way his eyes lit up.

 

Disagree. He didn't spend enough time at 135, 140 or 154 to do that. At 147 he did.

 

And definitely at 130.

If he had defeated Hatton at 140 he would have established himself as the man there, but the fight was at WW, so not quite I guess.

He didn't stay long at 135, but did beat the lineal champion, so that's a matter of definition.

He was lineal champion at three of the five divisions he was active in.

 

130 I took as a given

At 135, yeah he beat Castillo but even then some (not me) disipute that win - rematch aside. So, too truly establish himself there as the man, he definitely needed more.

 

At 154, Floyd unified the title against Alvarez to unify, and also defeated reigning Cotto, who was ranked as the number one guy at 154lbs going into that fight. That's enough to establish lineage at the weight, I think.

 

It's an open interpretation, of course, what "the man" is. But he was lineal at three weight classes and also widely considered the best at those weights, I'd say.

And of his 26 wins in title fights, few were against undeserving opposition. Most were against current or former title holders, and I think the rest at least were ranked in general.

 

Duran fought some guys in non-title bouts who were a lot better than those challengers

 

Of course. He is Duran, after all, and deserves a mention.

 

A basic disingenuous post, and missing of such basic concepts it's comical.

No Canelo didn't do better than Ortiz. The Ortiz fight was cut short, but what did occur, I wouldn't say Canelo did better at all, and that's say something considering what Ortiz did do.

Mosley did vastly better than Canelo, he actually hurt him, almost dropped him and had Floyd holding on. Canelo barely even landed a significant blow the entire fight. Hatton, again clearly better. Cotto and Judah about the same LMAO. This is where the comedy comes in. Judah won the initial rounds, and clearly so. There wasn't a round Canelo won the entire fight that was clear. Maidana, while doing worse the second time out, still pushed and fought Floyd and made him work. Canelo at NO point made Mayweather work. He didn't go for anything or lay anything on the line, which AGAIN, illustrates the exact point we are talking about.

Yeah, those names are sh1t when it comes to the level we are talking are they? You're listing Baldomir and Mosley as good wins LOL. Rhodes.... ummm yeah. The only decent win there was Trout, which brings me to my next question... How did you score that fight anyways?

You have zero answer for the facts at hand. When fighters move up to a different class of fighter two things will be established. Either they are ready for that level and have the skills to compete, or they aren't ready for that level but have the skills to compete or they are ready for that level but don't have the skills to compete. By no stretch of the imagination does Canelo fall into the No. 1 Category. We see by his performance he wasn't ready. If you prefer that he's not on that level, and couldn't ever get close to that level, that's fine to. But you need to make a choice here. Floyd, literally dominated Canelo in every aspect of that fight. There wasn't ONE second of that fight where it looked like Canelo had a chance. WHICH IS THE DAMN POINT THAT GOES OVER YOUR HEAD. When SRL met Wilfred, he showed he was ready. Same with Kid meeting Robinson. Same with Ali meeting Liston or Fraizer meeting Ali. They proved it. Canelo did anything but. So he either had the skills but just wasn't ready to deal with that level, or he never had the skills. You can take your pick, but you can't have it both ways. We have the fights right before us, and a 5 year old kid would look at Canelo and Floyd and go... damn that other guy had no chance. Yet he was ready? Your funny dude. I'll await for you to "admit you're wrong", another comical line.

 

Meaningless post.

Canelo was just a class below Floyd, as just about anyone who faced Floyd was. (Pac would be the exception, he's just smaller). That's the ting with great fighters. They separates themselves from the rest. I can't see why this is so difficult for you to take in.

We can argue for weeks if that fighter or that fighter did slightly better or slightly worse against Floyd than Canelo without really coming anywhere, but the simple fact is that Floyd was in full control over everyone he fought with the exception of Castillo and Maidana. And even against them he adapted and largely neutralized them. Canelo doesn't stick out in any way as looking more clueless than the rest. Certainly not taking into account that he has looked stylistically vulnerable to boxers. He showed against first Trout and later Lara that he just isn't very stylistically suited for boxers, which of course is going to be an extra handicap against Floyd.

For me, Marquez sticks out as looking the most clueless against Floyd, seeing how good a fighter he was. Yes, he gave up size and that certainly didn't help, but Benitez gave up more size against Hearns without looking as flustered and bewildered as JMM did against Floyd imo. If you saw that fight knowing nothing about the fighters, you'd probably think Marquez was either green or just not very good. But we know that's not the case. It was more about Floyd's skill and him being a bad match-up for JMM, which was also the case for Canelo. But Marquez did even worse because he also was outsized.

If you move Canelo of today back to 2013, he might perhaps do slightly better, but he'd still get outboxed. He's probably smack at his peak right now, but that doesn't mean that he was green when he faced Floyd. He had already faced better opposition than most face during their whole careers. He just faced a plain better fighter, who also was a bad stylistical match-up for him.

You know this and are just blowing hard in an effort in trying to save face. But you're just digging a deeper hole for yourself.

 

You spent all this time talking nonsense, when you should've just agreed with me like you unknowingly did. The point is, and has been, Canelo of today would do FAR better than he did that night. It's that simple. As you said, Canelo is smack dab in his prime, when he fought May, he wasn't. That is the point and has been the point, and point you have agreed with this whole time. Jesus H. Christ, just say your right next time.

 

I knew Duran would win.. Barkley was an ESPN fighter, but a style fighter meaning. his style was great for some and lost to most.

 

the way that guy cherry picked? waiting five years to fight pacquiao? he retired and dissapeared over that.. and everything else.

hell no.

 

Have you ever noticed how Pacquiao damn near exclusively fought guys from Arum's stable?