Will Floyd Mayweather become more well appreciated as time goes on?

Good try at imitating me. No, Canelo has developed a bit, yes, but that is not the same thing as him being green. Ali developed after Liston, Leonard developed after Montreal, Sanchez would have developed after Gomez, Jones developed after Toney etc, etc. Doesn't mean they were green.

Canelo has not overgone overhauls like Lewis and Wlad did under Steward. He has just gained a bit more experience like all fighters do, and would, for my money, still be easily outboxed by the Floyd of 2013.

 

Have to disagree here. His newly found footwork and defensive nous was quite unexpected. Canelo today beats a hole into Mayweather.

 

He couldn't cut the ring off on Khan. He ain't doing it against 2013 Floyd.

And he didn't even beat "a hole" into Cotto. A fantasy that he does it to Floyd. Well, the Floyd of today perhaps...

Canelo has never showed anything close to cutting off the ring like for example Golovkin does. He's not that kind of search and destroy fighter and likely never will be. He's at his best in the middle of the ring, at mid-range. Just like he was in 2013.

 

Yeah, definitely. There are probably as many definitions as there are posters on here.

Well, to me those belts have proven to be more and more meaningless over the last 30 years. Thus, because one was a beltholder, doesn't make one a deserving opponent.

In the end we are splitting hairs here though. Mayweather was a damned good fighter and a proven atg. I guess that's what most can agree on.

 

You can have an undisputed title as well without facing the best, like Zale had for example.

The important question is: did a fighter face and beat the best?

I think Floyd did for the most part, even though he didn't stay long enough to clean a division out, with the exception of perhaps WW (depending on how you define "cleaning out").

The only division he was in without at any point beating the top dog would be 140 (even though he beat Kostya's conquerer at a higher weight).

So belts this and belts that, Floyd generally faced the best and almost always beat them with ease. Over more than 15 years, and from 130 to 154.

I think history will remember him in this light.

 

Wtf. None of that was newly found.

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Not by me...

 

I've never seen Canelo run a marathon like that before. That's the reason I think he survived against GGG.

 

Nice try, you agree with me, and said so. Canelo UNQUESTIONABLY would do better today, than the version that faced Floyd. He's gained more savy, experience and honed his skills even more. He'd definitely do better, which was my point the entire time you seemed to be arguing against. Just because you don't like the word Green and how it applies here isn't my problem. Canelo was green to that level of opposition and himself wasn't prime. That close to the exact definition of what we'd call somehow with that working against him. Glad we agree now.

 

He hasn't had to. And wouldn't be a tactic he'd employ against Floyd anyway.

 

Yeah, if you think he had entered his prime by then but wasn't yet at his absolute peak, we agree.

We also agree if you think he quite likely was closer to his absolute peak than 36-year old Floyd was.

 

Of course it would be criticized and has been when others have made catch weight arrangements. Nobody is ever like, oh, he's the champion, who cares if he weight drained his foe to gain an advantage. NO, it's always looked down upon, just like it is here. May did the same with Hoya, again made Marquez, move up two division to face him... the list goes on and on. He did it to gain an advantage, and exactly why his record isn't has highly looked upon. If you're constantly making not fight at their best, either from weight restrictions or choosing to fight them past their best, well, expect some criticism over your resume. It's that simple.

 

Canelo running away for 3G has nothing to do with Floyd. In what scenario would Canelo run from Money?