Will Floyd Mayweather become more well appreciated as time goes on?

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  1. Brixton Bomber

    Brixton Bomber Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    No.

    His opponents from 147 onwards have got way too many flaws to take them seriously.

    Canelo was drained
    Manny was shot
    JMM ate his way up TWO DIVISIONS
    Conor McGregor is an MMA fighter who didn't have a single Pro Boxing fight
    Mosely was 18 months past his last hurrah (Margarito)
    Cotto was past his best
    Guerrero (say no more)
    Ortiz (see above)
    Maidana gave him hell

    Floyd was AMAZING under 147. I still watch him and think that that fighter is one of the very best I've seen.

    Floyd at 147 and above was a circus act.
     
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  2. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    The thing is, when Robinson fought and retired, he was loved.
    Mayweather isn't loved.
    It will hurt his image for the next 50 years.
    In about 50 years or so, culture will have shifted enough that people will look at him more from a boxing standpoint. And he will be far more appreciated.
    Although he will have those 1 or 2 anti-Floyd posters, forever n ever.
     
  3. BoxFreakBen

    BoxFreakBen New Member Full Member

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    i think he will. when you look at his record he has beaten almost every top class opponent in his time, the fact that he doesnt get hit that much is also a good point.
     
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  4. Outstock

    Outstock PBR Full Member

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    He weighed in only 1 1/2 pound lighter than in his previous bout against Trout. He came down a quarter of a division , he was hardly drained.
    He had the size advantage anyway since he blew up over night and Mayweather actually turned up lighter.

    Golovkin fought Canelo at what people said was his optimum weight class and he still performed worse than Mayweather.


    Cotto was coming off one of his most impressive and destructive performances against Margarito. 5 years on and he's still mopping the floor with guys. He wasn't past his best at all.
     
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  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The stock of most fighters go up with time. Whitaker and Lewis being recent examples, and I think we'll see it with Wlad as well in the coming years. But he will still have his detractors - as everyone has, not least the less likable like Floyd.

    But TBE... There just isn't enough substance in that to make it anything close to consensus imo. But he'll probably be in or around more top 10s as time goes on.
     
  6. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, the nitpicking goes a bit to an extreme, as some comments have shown here.

    Sure, everyone would have preferred Floyd-Pac five years earlier, but they were still the top 2 p4p going at it while fighting in the same division. How many times has that happened? Just because a fight wasn't what it could have been, doesn't make it worthless.

    And just because DLH, Canelo and Mosley weren't at their peaks, doesn't mean they weren't very good fighters. And saying Cotto was past it really has no merit at all. In fact, he's three years younger than Floyd and if anyone had passed his peak it was actually Floyd.

    I very much would have liked to have seen Floyd against Kostya, but you better believe he'd been slated for picking off the remains of a past it Kostya if he won that fight.

    With time most will become more realistic about these things and his stock will rise a bit.
     
  7. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    It's now known that Robinson was a worse person than Floyd in real life. His standing is unchanged though.
     
  8. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  9. LD Boxer-Puncher

    LD Boxer-Puncher Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is what I meant yep, I think some dislike him so much that they don't even realise they're letting that get in the way of just judging him as a boxer.

    20, 30, 50 years down the line.. Surely that will change? His record has more to it than Marciano's by a distance imo, and Marciano is a (relatively) undisputed great.

    I know not many think Floyd was the best, but in my opinion he was
     
  10. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    50-0 isnt enough to be considered TBE. Ricardo Lopez retired with 51-0-1, Joe Calzaghe retired with 46-0, and never even discussed as top-50 of all time. JCC was at one point 88-0 and multiple wins over top-opponents and it doesn't make him TBE. So it's FMJ resume and eye test (how did he look in the ring) His resume is pretty good but certainly not top-10 of all time, not even close. FMJ should be ranked pretty high though if your lists are based on eye-test (offensive and defensive skills). I think he's judged fairly by most (besides haters)
     
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  11. LD Boxer-Puncher

    LD Boxer-Puncher Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's not enough alone, I agree, but his resume is a lot better than Calzaghe's, and I'm evidently a big Calzaghe fan.

    Resume, win %, eye test (as you called it) AND title defences should be considered. And he won 26/26 title fights on top of everything else
     
  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Like I alluded to earlier, none of the other guys who made it to 49-0 did it with the same quality of resume as Floyd, and that includes 88-0 Chavez or whomever else.
     
  13. Seamus

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    He can't touch Greb or Robinson... or even Duran in my book.

    I am not sure which more modern fighters can with the way their careers develop now.
     
  14. Seamus

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    Harry Greb went 45-0 in one year, fighting over 400 rounds, beating 5 different Hall of Famers a total of 10 times. For his whole career he beat 15 of the 16 Hall of Famers he faced a total of 48 times, or the same number of victories May had his whole career against pro boxers.
     
  15. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My 1968, 1974, 1979, 1980 Ring Record Book has him winning 49 times in the greatrst yr in ring history 1919. Mayweather is an afterthought compared to old timers
     
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