Will Floyd Mayweather become more well appreciated as time goes on?

I think so.

Among mainstream fans, the context of some of his wins will be forgotten. His overall excellent record will shine on for a long time.

I don't agree he is "TBE" and there will be historians who can break down his record if need be and put them in proper context.

His lack of wins over prime great fighters and the lower quality of his era vis a vis some other eras will override his "0" losses to the truly knowledgeable.

But these voices will not diminish Floyd in the eyes of the general sports fan.

 

Canelo's decrease in output was par for the course against Mayweather. You can create an Excel sheet of fighters averages in output vs. fight night against Mayweather. Canelo lost bc he was worse than Floyd but would've done better had he fought relentlessly, which never was his style. I don't think the weigh in had anything to do with it.

Canelo's fight with Mayweather played out exactly like you would expect. Canelo wasn't very active in his previous fight with Trout who was the only guy on his resume to parallel Floyd in style so you would expect even less from him against Floyd.

Cotto lost to Pac because he was a worse fighter but would've done better had he boxed tactically like Marquez and Mayweather did. I don't think the weigh in ultimately affected the outcome.

 

He's currently rated approximately 15 -20 by most serious observers.

I think he will probably crack the top ten at some point in the future.

 

serious observers??? Would love to see all these experts/serious observers lists that have him in a top 20 p4p list of all time

 

Very true.

It's not like Canelo had trouble making 154. He did so for years afterwards, so to think that those two pounds would make much of a difference is silly.

 

According to which source? I have not seen credible expert rank him that high

 

And I think before he is so easily thrown in a top 20 p4p list .. The discussion should be is he even an ATG or not?? maybe from the experts/ "serious observers" it's 50/50 ... and the jury is still out that

 

The simple fact remains that Floyd beat 5 or 6 fighters that were p4p rated by The Ring at the time he met them, and the number of rds he lost numbers in single digits. Most of them were younger and/or bigger. Very few fighters can say the same.

I love Pac for the challenges he took on and how he went about it. But you can pick apart his opposition too. Barrera? Done after a long career and wars with Morales and Junior Jones. Morales? His win against Pac was his last hurrah, after that he didn't care to get in shape anymore. Marquez? Won all their four fights. DLH? A drained corpse. Hatton? Drained and done. Cotto? Drained and not that good to begin with. And so, and so on.

Now, I don't buy into that kind of picking apart of Pac's wins either. It's just something you can do to anyone. An exercise for simpletons, really.

The simple fact of the matter is that very few fighters have won 25+ belt/title fights as well as beat as many younger and/or bigger p4p ranked opponents as Floyd has, let alone with the ease he did it. Those are the facts. The rest is hot air.

 

You mean apart from me ?


But seriously, have a read at Bojaks post below.

BTW, I'm more of a pac fan and I believe that Floyd ducked him when he was a 50-50 proposition. I also believe he lost the first Castillo fight.

But despite some valid criticisms that could be made of Floyd's resume, you can't ignore his overall record.

 

Also like Pac quite a bit more. Always willing to take risks, believing he could hurt his opponent more no matter the size difference. And Floyd, smack at his peak, taking on Judah and Mitchell instead of the guys that beat them (well, Williams never met Judah, but you get the drift), is definitely sad stuff.

But I just can't stand this picking apart nonsense concerning fighters you don't like. Fer fecks sake, some are even discrediting Ali's win over Foreman. When we start behaving like that, this just becomes another alternative fact forum where everyone shout out their opinions without ever taking in counter arguments, no matter how sensible.

 

No, you said he is "the best ever". In fact, you said it at least twice.

And now you don't think he's "tbe," by resume, anyway.

Have a good day.

 

Floyd beat the guy who beat Zoo.

The Zab fight was after Zoo retired.

The window for that fight to happen was fairly small and closed after Hatton ended Kostya's career.

 

Hmmm. It's very hard to know all the ins and out of boxing politics, but I have a hard time believing that Floyd wouldn't have gotten a fight with Kostya if he set his sights on it after his last fight at LW in 2003. Kostya was coming back from injury, but I can't see him turning down the money Floyd would bring to the table.

But even if we give Floyd a pass for Tsuy, it's harder to do so for Williams. Would also have been a huge fight, was viable for years and was still when Floyd retired for the first time.

 

2 great, FAIR, UNBIAS, posts here ...finally from you 2, ha.. Floyd does deserve a ton of credit.. I don't care how boring he is to watch to some, the name of the game is to get the WIN. And with the opponents he faced, no matter what the circumstances were, there was no one more prepared in modern day boxing than him.. SR. deserves credit too. Floyd was dedicated and a gym rat. When I bring up a fair criticism, you are called a hater because no I don't believe he is TBE ... Floyd had 18 years of healthy boxing and only 45 fights.. He had the opportunity to be more active and take on more risk but he passed on it.. For me, Floyds stock goes up huge if he does this and retires at 63-1 or even 63-2. And would be a shoe in on my top 20 p4p all time list .. no problem.