Will Floyd-pac be, Ali-Frazier, SRL-Duran or Cal-Bhop?

Ring IQ won't be the major factor for Floyd if he were to win this fight. He'll have to "THINK" Less and react more which he's already really good at. Controling the fight doesn't mean one is more intelligent than the other. Controling the fight has to do with operating with the right game plan or style to dictate the pace of the fight.....but dictating the pace doesn't mean dictating the distance which is anther area that needs to be considered. Stylistically both men have styles that will present their own set of problems for each other. But one thing is for certain PAC will face his greatest challenge in terms of meeting some on his level talent and ability wise and vise versa. So it's not gonna be a one sided affair by any stretch of the imagination. These two are gonna have a very close competitve and tough fight if they meet in Nov.

 

That's why people favor Void to when. Both guys bring something new, BUT it's Void whose known for his ring IQ, adapting, adjustments, figuring them out, or whatever the hell people want to call it.

Marquez was still able to use his ring IQ while throwing a Mayweather-esque volume of punches.

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Nah....The problem most have is accepting PAC as being great....for those who feel Floyd is SOOOO MUCH superior to pac. Even Floyd don't think that. Other wise the fight would have already been done.

Fact of the matter is Floyd is facing a guy his equal. Maybe not in terms of technical skill...but in terms of ability, talent and god given gifts. He's gonna have problems with the style and southpaw stance and the will and determination PAC will present.

Of course PAC's gonna have many problems of his won with how crafty and technical Floyd is as well. But Comparing Shane...this version of Shane to Manny is where people are gonna end up losing a LOT of paper betting on the outcome to look the same.

 

"Void" No doubt about it Floyd is a very capable fighter who makes mid fight adjustments effortlessly. But Manny who comes into fights with many game plans also has the ability to make adjustments. I think a lot of people are underestimating PAC as an intelliegnt fighter just b/c they are comparing him to Floyd. But that won't be the "end all be all" in this fight. Making adjustmenst is going to be important but not as much as the actual STYLES that these men have. It's gonna be a good close fight where we see Floyd in his most difficult challenge as a pro. I think people will be surprise with Floyd who is gonna have to FIGHT and take lumps to get a win.....which isn't a given going in there with manny.

 

I dont understand how a guy like Floyd who arguably lost to Castillo, lost 4 rounds to Judah, lost atleast 3 rounds to Hatton, won via SD against a faded DLH is considered unbeatable...

This is not a knock on Floyd, its a knock on the perception that this guy is simply unbeatable, blinded by his "0". Looking at this thread, every Pac fan acknowledges its a tough fight, yet Floyd fans are making it out like its a walk in the park.

It's very clear to me that had Floyd thought this fight was as easy as you guys make it out to be, Floyd wouldn't have walked out of 40+mil pay day, with or without drug testing. It sounds to me like a dream deal, minimal risk, extremely high reward.

 

Well if we talk about styles then Marquez beat emmanuel in many moar rounds than emmanuel did to him. Marquez is the discounted made in Mexcio version of Void.

People like to say,"OOOOOOO he fights like a Mexican and actually throws combos!!!!!"

Marquez really only threw 4 moar avg per round than Void.

 

That's true....JMM has taken more rounds over the 24 sets they faught against one anther. But Manny inflicted more damage and put JMM on his ass numerous times which out weighed the fact that Juan won more seperate rounds.

I wouldn't say JMM is the "discounted Mexico version of Floyd" b/c JMM is a great, great fighter in his own right. I think too many folks are giving credence to the victory Floyd has over JMM without looking at the full picutre.

Number 1....JMM was fighting WELL above the weight he is most comfortable at....Number 2 JMM was jumping up 2 division for the first time in his life agianst arguably the best P4P fighter....depending on who you feel is the best. And #2 JMM is no spring chicken.

Floyd was prime, bigger, stronger faster and fighting an older, slower and past his prime JMM. I knew the outcome before the fight even started.

 

They both like to counter, but Void just does it better. Void has moar physical gifts than Marquez. People kept saying Marquez and his "high" output was what made him beat pac, but he did fine that night with his Mayweather-esque punch count.

EZ fight for Void. Void takes it by 12th round stoppage.

 

pro boxing is not measure of how much punch you thrown but how much you inflict damage on your opponent look at the round 3 not because JMM throw more punches he win it you must consider KO and the effect on the other fighter. it defends in the eye of the judges unless it was one sided fight.

 

:huhYou're stance on this issue is about a valid as your facts. JMM hasn't ever beatn Manny at his best weight & during his overall best years as a pro. Which says a lot b/c JMM at his best vs Manny who still had yet to reach his "best" still couldn't beat a lesser version of Manny.

I agree that Floyd is better due to the simple fact that he has more physical gifts that allow him to do things most fighters can't. But the output has little to do with why JMM was able to be competitive with manny.

I'm sure you beleive Floyd is gonna have an easy night vs Manny, but it's not your confidence that Floyd is using to "make" this fight. If Floyd was half as confident in his ability to beat manny the fight would have already been done and your opinion regarding the outcome would have already proven true.....

But.....here we are.:think I see Manny pulling out the Decision and putting Floyd through his most grueling fight ever. I also see Floyd earning a great deal of respect by how he fights. It might be his first loss but I think it will also answer a lot of questions that no one else but Manny could force Floyd to answer in the ring.

 

emmanuel has improved since fighting Marquez, but Void is much better than Marquez.

I don't want to make it too complicated. emmanuel has shown improved ring iq, but he hasn't shown any ability to make adjustments and adapt. emmanuel is there to be hit.

Void will make the fight look easy and stop emmanuel in the last round. Void is void.

 

See....that's where I begin to understand your stance on this issue. You have a perception that Manny some how doesn't know how to make in ring adjustments. He does and has shown that ability more recently than before when Roach had to give him corner instructions in between rounds before manny could adjust. But in the fight with Miguel you saw Manny adjust on the fly..... Manny was eating a Cotto Jab for a half round before he adjusted his footwork and created angles for the right hook to land over the top. He did the same with Ricky...it just happened faster.

The "void" **** is killing me...:rofl But like a voided check this out come won't be valid when he gets in there with PAC....if Floyd wants to fight that is... We'll see.

 

emmanuel took THREE LEFT UPPERCUTS IN A ROW vs Clottey in their FINAL round. He was getting hit by the same punches throughout the whole fight, but multiple landed on him after he had ELEVEN rounds to figure the kid out. Clottey is as one dimensional as it gets. Emmanuel knows how to set traps, time opponents, place his shots better, and use the ring moar effectively. Has emmanuel shown any ability to truly make adjustments and adapt? Hell, no!

Void always has his eyes glued to whoever he's fighting. He's observing every detail to plan for his next move. This is how Void easily adapts. You can see after the second round of May 1st that Void had his eyes on the big MGM replay screen watching his mistake against Mosley. Emmanuel is much moar bestial compared to Void.

Void doesn't get caught with the same punch moar than THREE times, and his opponents weapons are usually gone by a third of the way in during the fight.

Being a southpaw will leave emmanuel's liver closer to Void's lead hand. Void is Relentless about well placed liver shots on southpaws. emmanuel has been knocked out via body shot before. There is a legend on pacland that emmanuel has a weak body, so he had to work like hell to improve it. Void goes for the body like women suck dick when he's fighting southpaws.

Emmanuel is too open to straight punches and the left uppercut. Void has one of the best jabs, and THE best right hand in the business of boxing right now.

Let's look at Void's greatest victory:

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Emmanuel is no match for Void.

Void will have an easy night before stopping emmanuel in the final round.

Void is void.

 

Josh isn't dynamic like PAC or Floyd but he's definitly NOT one demensional. Josh is a very well rounded fighter. I think it's a bit short sighted of you not to take into consideration how cautious Josh fought with Manny to the point where Manny would open up with numerous sets of combinations taking GREAT RISK in doing so just to get Josh to open up and give Manny the opportunity to counter.

Most of Josh landing had to do with PAC pushing the actions EXTRA hard to make up for Josh's LACK of effort. The more you throw the more you will get countered which is why we see Floyd rarely ever get hit. Floyd doesn't take risks like Manny b/c Floyd doesn't see the need to entertain fans when his undfeated record is placed at risk. Manny does and he doesn't mind getting hit if it means it's creating excitment.

Saying Manny has never shown the ability to adapt is like saying Floyd is one demensional.

Floyd doesn't get caught more than 3 times with the same shot b/c he is a good fighter.....but it also has a lot to do with his style. It's a cautious one...and one where he doesn't take many risks like manny does so of course you take less risks and you get hit less. Simple as that.

Fortunately for Floyd he has a really good chance at beating Floyd but unfortunately for him he's also at a very high risk to get his first loss so I understand his hesitation on making the kind of fight.

"Void is Void":rofl It's almost as funny as you thinking that Floyd will somehow manage to get a stoppage over Manny.....I'm sure if JMM lasted 12 Floyd is gonna be having to see A LOT of Manny over 12 rounds.

 

Emmanuel has been getting caught with the same shots for awhile now, buddy.

Those uppers landed for Clottey, and the same left upper landed for Cotto.

When he emmanuel got his AZZ knocked out in Thailand, that Thai man was busting him up with right hands before the KO. Clottey was still landing right hands.

Those are just a few examples.

Void will be able to land his best punch pretty much at will, and it happens to be THE greatest of its kind in the business of boxing.

EZ Victory for Void.

Void will stop emmanuel in the final round of the fight.

Void is void.