Will FMJ vs Alvarez (154) be one of the biggest size disadvantage fights in boxing?

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  1. JasonHensley

    JasonHensley Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He's the best at 154lbs by beating Cotto? But now when their is another 154lb champion ready to fight, he is too small? Which is it. Is he the best? Or is he too small? How is he the best when Canelo is regarded as the man at 154?
     
  2. Miguel

    Miguel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There it is. He can still be the best at 154. Canelo is at 154. Then fight. End of!

    I'm not saying he rehydrated to a big 165. I'm saying everyone quotes Mayweather fight night at 150, and Canelo at 172. Absolute worse case scenarios. My point being that against Cotto I'm sure he went from 151(official weight) to 155 at least...I am speculating but he refused to step on the scales for a reason - dont' exaggerate my point in order to make your point

    Why refuse to get on the scales if you're so small?

    Once again, not saying that and never said that. He was 150 fight night v Ortiz. 1 year later. Weighs in at 151 - I'm speculating fight night he might have been 154/155, we don't know as he refused the scales...point is the size difference being quoted (150 vs 172) is fixed to put Floyd at his lightest and Canelo at his absolute heaviest - clearly Canelo will have a size advantage but it may well be 153 vs 166 (a frequent fight night weight for Canelo)

    Why is every point made exaggerated by Floyd fans so they can then argue it?
     
  3. crimson

    crimson Boxing Addict banned

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    Catchweight does not sound so bad now......
     
  4. Miguel

    Miguel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What makes me laugh is that everyone slates Pacquiao for the 150 Marg catchweight - if he took the fight at 154, assuming Marg rehydrated in the same way he'd be 168 on fight night, Pacquiao 147 fight night, 21lb difference - pretty much the same weight difference that all these *****s are crying about now! Yet with Pacquiao the 17lb disadvantage wasn't enough, he drained Margarito blah blah - you couldn't make it up!
     
  5. Dedication

    Dedication Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Both weighed virtually the same on fight night
     
  6. Xerant

    Xerant Gotta Hate negociations! Full Member

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    Floyd taught so little of Cotto that he stayed on the rope to make it exciting. Guerrero hit floyd too but he never stayed on the rope to make him look good. Floyd does what he wants in there.
     
  7. Miguel

    Miguel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How do you know this? What's your source? Floyd didn't step on the scales against Marquez
     
  8. Xerant

    Xerant Gotta Hate negociations! Full Member

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    Can you point me the crying ***** about this so i can get on there case. Floyd will toy with canelo. Canelo should stay clear until floyd retires. If canelo swallows the pill its all over. Oh and FY hater. ;)
     
  9. JasonHensley

    JasonHensley Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Jesus christ I hate *****s. If you think Mayweather looked about the same size as Marquez on fight night then you are delusional. ****, aside from when he fought ODH and Ortiz, Floyd hasn't looked that small against any of his opponents. This small WW talk is BS. If someone with the ego of Floyd was really at such a huge weight disadvantage all the time, he would have no problem getting on the scale on the night of the fight and show that he is being outweighed by his opponents. He didn't look smaller against Cotto or Guerrero.
     
  10. Miguel

    Miguel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What's an FY hater? And good post also by the way :D
     
  11. Xerant

    Xerant Gotta Hate negociations! Full Member

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    I believe floyd created an illusion about his fight nite weight also. He shows what he wants when it suits him.
     
  12. Xerant

    Xerant Gotta Hate negociations! Full Member

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    Hey thank you. Wheres that ****ing ***** crying about floyd fighting opponent 20 pnds heavier.
     
  13. Kurushi

    Kurushi Active Member Full Member

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    Butterbean came into his fight with Siciliano weighing around 418 lbs (Siciliano himself weighing in at around 315). Apparently the ring had to be structurally strengthened to deal with the combined weight.
     
  14. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Do people realize the human skull is not much different whether you're a heavyweight or featherweight? The HW face much more danger every fight than anybody by far. Getting hit by Pacquiao is a cakewalk compared to getting hit by Wlad. I'm surprised HW stay in the fight business as long as they do.

    It's funny how people discuss HW differences as no big deal, yet people think the lighter weights are the baddest people on earth. What I find even more hilarious is that you can win 5 divisions within ~25 pounds at the lower weights. Then you have guys at HW who face Wlad with 30 pound disadvantages.
     
  15. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Umm, I got news for you, and I'm going to educate you on this because this is a subject that I care about and researched.

    Most boxers die at the lower weight classes. Your argument may seem logical on the surface, however, you are actually wrong.

    Lower weight classes take far more punches to the head, and with less water weight to protect the brain. In heavier fights, yea, the blows are heavier but as a result: less punches get thrown and it takes less successive blows to bring a person down in general. While the person can still be knocked out, this is the result of less blows compared to 12 rounds of getting hit 600 times, where fatigure, dehydration, and other factors come into play. These guys die after the fight in general, sometimes even a week or two afterward.

    Just wanted to point that out to you. Also...

    20 pound weight difference at 240 pounds: 8% difference in weight.
    20 pound weight difference at 200 pounds: 10% difference in weight.
    20 pound weight difference at 147 pounds: 13.6% difference in weight.
    20 pound weight difference at 130 pounds: 15.4% difference in weight.

    It matters..... and gets worse as you go lower in weight. Each pound difference is a larger percentage of the fighters overall weight as you move down the weight classes.