Will Fury only be remembered as a guy that ducked Usyk?

Well, it's not exactly a secret that promoters sometimes do a side-deal with fighters (Hearn has spoke on that previously). Not that it matters anyway. I don't think Usyk is hurting for money after signing with the Saudi's and two fights against Joshua.

Regarding the logic of the bidding war, you have to remember that Fury's biggest pay days were against Wilder and Whyte. Specifically, the Whyte pay day came from Fury (ESPN bid = protecting $100m contract) versus Whyte (DAZN bid = in competition with ESPN+). But Warren can't bid like that for Dubois as Dubois has no ESPN backing, and clearly had no intention to either as he knows it's a complete mismatch. So, Team Usyk only had to outbid what Queensberry was willing to invest in Dubois. Turns out 8m was the figure. And the government who were backing the bid are certainly not in the business of throwing away money to make it back on future undisputed fights and protect their brand.

Though this does tell us that Usyk versus a mandatory opponent that would make Wilder blush still requires $8m to win the bid. Overall, it's funny how Warren has basically sacrificed Dubois on the altar of Fury.

 

I dont think you get it mate, anyone could of bid, purse bids are an open market, it wasnt just Warren VS Krassyuk.

Side note, Warrens bid was $5,620,050. Thats what he thought the fight was worth.

 

Okay, I must admit I can't recall other networks actually having the balls to steal a fighter away like that, but enlighten me. When was the last time one of the big networks won a bid for a major fighter that wasn't attached to them?

At the end of the day, Usyk is now with the Saudis so the biggest financial backer in today's sport clearly see him as an A-side fighter.

 

But Fury rejected the 70-30 in Usyk favor for the rematch clause, so it's Fury who never wanted the fight. Fury rejected the 50-50, his own promoter said the fight should be. He rejected 60-40offer, and i exposed your lies, as you said there wasn't any offer to Fury from Usyk team for the fight:

Maybe inform yourself better next time before becoming and embarassment:

“We initially bfor 50-50, but then Tyson was asking for some bigger money. So, we made it clear that we are ready to go 60-40, but the winner takes 60. That was our latest offer.”

When asked if Fury had turned down the offer, Krassyuk said: “Yes, exactly.”

“Maybe someone wants to avoid the danger and to stay in a comfortable position,” he added. “I don’t know and I really don’t care.

“Normally when a fighter does not want to take a fight, he asks for something impossible so it doesn’t take place. On the other side, I’m really optimistic.

This is from your own guy promoter:

Fury's promoter Frank Warren sees no reason why the pair cannot meet next, telling talkSPORT that a 50/50 split has already been agreed, with a site deal all that's left to finalise.

'At the end of the day, it's where the most money can be generated,' Warren said.

He also added: 'We had talks before the fight with Usyk's camp. We met with them three or four weeks ago, there's no problems with them,' Warren continued.

'The good thing about this is there are no rival TV companies involved, they don't have any promotional ties.

'The terms of the deal are really simple, it will be a 50/50 split, but it's where we can generate the most income to make it work.

'It's an easier fight to make instead of Joshua because there are not rival promoters involved. Usyk's people are free agents and that's not a problem.


So what is your excuse now fanboy?


And also explain us all, why should Usyk waits on someone who isn't even training for the fight, and is lying that he has been training, and was exposed by his own Trainer? And Fury and his whole team was lying that he was in a camp. Which was already proven multiple times.

Why should Usyk waste his career waiting on Fury, when they were in a talks for quite some time ? Fury literally wasted almost 6 months of Usyk career.
Before that wasted a good 6 months of AJ career, when pretending wants him to fight, just to fight Wilder again, because of the supposed arbitrage, that Wilder supposedly doesn't stand a leg on it ...
And before that Fury wasted more than a year of Klitschko rematch, by ducking him and lying he was injured TWICE.

Answer this question buddy.

I already exposed your "no offer" and what you are also saying make no sense.

Still failing to explain why Fury ducked the Saudi offer early in the year ? 60m. which would have been the biggest split in Fury career.
Usyk agreed the deal, Fury outpricing himself wanting 120m. confirmed by Gareth A. Davies, Fury biggest chearleader.
Read what Krassyuk said above, if a fighter outprice himself, he doesn't want the fight. Simple as that.

It has to do a lot. Fury only start making any money by winning the WBC title, which you trolls trying to make the titles doesn't mean anything.

When in reality AJ start pulling big numbers as well as when he won the titles. And he lost that big numbers to a degree when losing the titles to Usyk.

Fury vs Chisora and Fury vs Whyte both flopped terribly on the PPV, so it's a well known facts that Warren lost money on this fights.

But show me your big boy PPV numbers and show us that he is a big draw, i'm waiting.

We shall see, but he is literally turning into a clown, and it's shows, as he lost most of his fanbase, with very few trolls left to defend him.

Will they? When Usyk is 40 like Klitschko, Fury will grows ball then to fight Usyk?
It's clear to everyone who has any brains that Fury is trying to age Usyk out, and wait him to either lose or be in a hard battle with the big mandatory that's coming from Usyk, while your Hero is doing misfits.

 

$8,057,000 is Usyks market value as of 25th May 2023, including Dubois, the WBA, WBO, IBF & Ring.

There were third party bids in the purse bid on 25th May, do you think they just did that for a joke?

If he Usyk worth more, someone would of bid more. Thats not hard to understand.

 

If Fury does not fight again his accomplishments as well as not fighting Usyk will certainly be remembered,however as Fury has not said he’s retired his career is still an open book like every other currently active Heavyweight fighter .

 

You avoided the question there.

I think it's pretty much an unwritten rule among the big promoters that you don't do what you are implying. Though, I do recall a lot of friction that was caused by Hearn bidding on behalf of DAZN for the Teofimo v Kambosos fight, but the circumstances and size of bid were quite different. Then again, Hearn has never been one for making friends with the old guard.

Imagine if a major third party actually came in trying to take the fight away from Usyk, Poland, and the Ukraine.

 

I have answered it, you're ignoring it.
$8m in Poland is less than 30% against Fury. Usyk walked away, not Fury.
I was an advocate for Usyks 40% at first, now we see his true value. Fury was right all along.

You've only exposed yourself. Both Amer Abdullah and Krassyuk said Fury was the "big tickets seller". They also affirmed that the fight could not happen until DECEMBER (now January even!).
8m is still waaaay less than 30% at Wembley. Usyk quit negotiations just like AJ quit against fatty.

No trolling from me at all. I make valid points.
$40m Whyte purse bid.
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1030909/tyson-fury-vs-dillian-whyte-purses-money/

$33.6m Chisora 3 (debacle).
https://www.givemesport.com/88089158-tyson-fury-vs-derek-chisora-3-purse-boxing/
And leave off with the big boy, only my wife gets to call me that lol.

I dont care a bout any of that nonsense. My little girls are into that instagram stuff, not me. I stick to the fights themselves.

Usyk is 36, Fury is 34. Fury has done much worse to his body.
Very silly statement. Getting those excuses in ready I see.

 

No, I countered with a logical repsonse.

Why the hell would a third party bid, if they never had intention of winning said bid?? Thats dumb.

 

It is hard for him to understand one so very simple thing: Usyk pulled out of a no-rematch clause fight against a man who wasn't training - what better chance to beat him and mock him? But a blinded fangirl with only two brain cells, one of which dedicated to praise Usyk, can't understand it.

 

You begged the question. Then answered it with another question - you're not Plato lol

Lots of fights have small bids from small backers with no realistic hope of winning, I have no idea why they do it, maybe just chancing their hand. Some win bids and then don't have the money to actually host the fight. See the Teofimo v Kambosos situation, which got Triller band from bidding on future purse bids.

Anyway, I seem to be answering your questions, and you are avoiding mine. Let's leave it at that. Feel free to take a moral victory on this one, Leeroy.

 

No victories Finkel, i'm not like that, your opinion is just as valid as my own.
I suppose what you're suggesting is similar to what we have in English Soccer recently, with contacts and "fake" bids from other teams attempting to inflate the value of a player, by putting in bids that they were never going to follow through with, making the real interested teams pay more.
That doesnt explain why it only got to $8,057,000. But none the less. Good convo mate, cheers

 

You answered nothing. And ignores every single question and facts being presented, and keep crying about the 8m. split, that you and Fury fanatics were claiming will be no more than 2mil.

Both Fury and Warren said that Usyk vs Dubois will be less than 2 million fight.
Now you are crying that is 8m. Yeah pathetic, but expected from Fury fangirl.

This is the purse split, and Usyk is not tied to any Network. They will sell the TV rights, and get huge money from it.
So the end money will be a lot bigger.

Both AJ, Fury and Wilder are tied to certain Networks.
Usyk is free and they simply will sell the TV rights and earn millions, which is what generate money, but you got to have a basics understating of the things. Which you clearly have zero.

Usyk is the A side, as Fury lost all of his fanbase, and Usyk sign with the guys with the biggest money in the division - Skill Challenge.

You can keep crying for that 8million.

I will keep owning you.

And funny you don't mention both fighters biggest split, cause you are exactly that, a troll, that is a Fury fanboy, and doesn't give a s**** about the sport, and is happy seeing your hero fighting on misfit.
Boxing is dying cause of fangirls like you.

Usyk biggest split is more than Fury 5 biggest combined.

Why you are not bringing that into the conversation ?

Usyk also sold more PPV, which is what generate the big money than most of Fury best fights as well.

Muhahhahahahah nice try troll. Krassyuk was using the big tickets seller as a trolling by mentioning Fury. Should have continue with what he said though, but what is Fury PPV numbers? Yeah exactly - pure garbage.

Gate doesn't bring big money, what's doing it is the PPV numbers.
You are also paying rent for that stadium, and big stadium rent is 1-3m. if not even more.
You won't even make 10 millions out of it, cause you have rent, staffs and staging expenses.

And everyone knows that Fury ducked the fight in the Saudi earlier this year, and was confirmed that Fury wanted more than the entirer pot would have make, this is exactly from Abdullah. Krassyuk have said that. Everyone knows it.
Usyk accepted the deal, Fury ducked it.

Warren was exposed multiple time by the stadium nonsenses, as Saudi already have plenty of ready Arena, and they can get Stadium in just few months, which was said by Abdullah.
Then Fury father self-exposed them by saying that Saudi didn't want to pay what Fury is worth it, aka Fury outpricing himself by wanting 120m., which was more than the entire pot would been.

This is from your hero Dad:
"Tyson just wanted to box in the UK and he would take his lowest payday ever. I know what the Saudi's offered him because he told me. Money speaks all languages.
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Warren and Fury can claim they even pay 500m. for Fury fighting Char, but that does it make it believable ? Obviously not.

Queensberry promotion is about making money, not giving money away.

Let's see.
Whyte vs Fury did less than 40k. in USA, when Arum predicted it was going for 500+K.
Whyte vs Fury did s**** numbers, rumours are around 500k. With Warren claimed around 700k., but then "he forget the exact numbers". No official release.

Fury vs Chisora did less than 300k.

So how exactly either of this fights, even breaks EVEN ???
Big loses on both of this fights. So it's either that Warren is paying money from his pockets, or they are just putting numbers in the public, but paying him what the fights generate, which is not much by all means ....

Also on purse bids you are GOAL is to win the purse with the smallest amount of wasted money.
So bragging that Warren overpay on Whyte and lose plenty of money on a fight that doesn't generate even half of what they though is not something to brag about.


And yeah of course you don't discuss topics you don't like, just dodging all the evidence and facts, and quotes the fight should have been 5-50 from Fury own promoter.

And yeah we will see Fury next fights and numbers. There is a reason he can't stage a fight, and it's going to fight on misfits and trolls like you trying to defend that and brings only money into the discussion.

If Fury was worth more, Saudi would have offered him the money, as they did with AJ vs Usyk.
Based on Saudi, who knows the game better than you and me, Fury ain't deserving better cut than Usyk, that's why they offered him 60m. early in the year.

Enjoy your time on my ignore list, as troll like you serve only as that. Enjoy your time being a mockery of this forum, as Fury fangirl.
It's good to see you are one of the very few that even attempt to defend the fraud.

 

And 8m. bid for a mandatory fight is huge.
Wilder was fighting for less than 1m. His purse against Ortiz 1 was around 1m.
AJ first title defence against Breazele was 4.5m. then 5m. against Molina.

Some people on here obviously don't know s****.

But typical Fury fangirls attitude, first claiming that fight won't be more than 1-2m. purse, than crying over 8m. bid.

Yep, Fury fans to this day, still can't debunk the facts in this video, and trying to lie to the public(not working) and twist the reality:

This content is protected

The fraud was exposed over and over and over again !!!

 

You have an ignore list??? Haha what a fanny.

Later LordAJnosh.