Will Hopkins have a harder time with Dawson, than he had with Calzaghe?

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  1. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes I think Dawson will end up stopping Hopkins ..
     
  2. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    i'm not around here much...but when the fight happens...i'll be sure to come back. even if i have to eat crow.

    just for the record....

    i picked dawson in their last fight.

    didn't think hopkins was going to beat pascal in the last one.

    picked hopkins over pascal the first time.

    picked hopkins over roy.

    picked hopkins over andrades brother.

    picked hopkins over pavlik (when no one thought he'd win)

    picked joe cal over hopkins

    i'm right more than i'm wrong with hopkins. :)
     
  3. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Calzaghe won a controversial decision. So techincally you got that one wrong because the politics beats Hopkins in that fight. I'm not too worried about it this time because in promoting this rematch at the press conference it was already said there gonna make sure there's some good judges, and that means that the fight will be scored objectively, not just the fighter who's coming forward just throwing punches and hitting air because this is how Hopkins got jobbed in both fights with Jermaine Taylor and Calzaghe.
     
  4. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    He brings more because of Hopkin's age
     
  5. JMP

    JMP Champion Full Member

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    He might have enough in the tank to beat Dawson, but just comparing footage, it's obvious he's not the same fighter. Reflexes, movement, footwork, defense, speed, fluidity, etc...you name it, he's declined in that area tremendously. Not even the same guy who beat Tarver, Wright, and Pavlik anymore.
     
  6. Royal-T-Bag

    Royal-T-Bag Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Chad will beat a nearly the same version of B-Hop with far greater ease. Chads better overall then Calzaghe but Calzaghe had iron will and mental strength that guided him to undefeated retirement whereas Chad's complacency caused him a loss vs a guy he should have outclassed and proly will in a rematch in Pascal. Joe is a mentally sound fighter and despite Chad being better in most other areas this will trump Chads better skillset, although it's not inconceivable for Dawson to get back on track and surpass Joe on the ATG list as he's got a few more years in him plus some very solid wins and a comparable resume to Joes already. If Dawson gets his head right he's a beast and one of the best talents in the sport.

    To answer the question: Dawson has always been all wrong for B-Hop, why you think B-Hop never wanted a piece of him when he was on top and ranked p4p #3? I predicted Dawson the first time around and got him again.... B-Hop will lose far more convincignly than he did vs Joe, I actually think he deserved the W vs Joe, regardless it was a very close fight and I think Dawson wins wide here.
     
  7. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Calzaghe is a energy fighter who feeds on the flow of the fight - if he's behind on the scorecards, he'll intensify the pressure, step up the pace of the fight and increase the volume of punches - whereas Dawson is a laid back slickster who tries to outbox his opponents only based on technical skill and on the opportunities to lead and counter with harder shots, he'll never be able to work on the tempo or the pace of the fight if things are not going his way. Calzaghe came from an undefeated streak and multiple unification fights at 168 pounds such as Kessler, he was close to his best, sure Dawson always fought at 175 pounds and he probably walks with a heavier weight with that size but he's coming from defeat and a lacklustre win against Diaconu. Calzaghe is a much harder fight always. Even Bute would be.
     
  8. dubace

    dubace Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Dawson can actually knock Hopkins out, throws real punches with speed, and has a better defense than coke boy. he also is much bigger than Hopkins in the ring. I just hope he doesn't knockk my boy out, though Hops may be pushing his luck. He already bitched out against him once. but Hopkins is smart. he will make the adjustment that he couldn't figure out in his first 2 rounds against dawson.
     
  9. dubace

    dubace Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thank you. someone with some sense about scoring about a fight
     
  10. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's funny but I guess that if people didn't underrate Hopkins qualities even at this stage so low to the point of sayin that he is about to be trashed by a very ordinary LHWT top fighter compared with the LHWTs of history, Hopkins will really would not get pumped up to pull out another unexpected performance at this stage of is career. In my opinion, Hopkins is a fundamentally and technically sound boxer who can punch and became a very experienced strategian and a masterful defensive, sorta counter-offensive machine... He's nothing naturally gifted but more a workmanlike fighter but the more you push him down, that unbreakable spirit that he brought from Brownsville and Philly along with experience of men very similar to Dawson makes him do the unexpected. You guys are not in presence of a common individual, a guy that at 47 would surely gas out and be outfought by a 29 year older in his prime. I doubt if any of you who bet Dawson will be the first man to stop Old Man River will get surprised if he pulls this one yet again. And Gary shaw will surely not be surprised after all the whoopin he is promising Chad to give. Shaw doesn't even know what can Dawson actually do, he just expects and keeps fingers crossed so that may say I told you so.
     
  11. JMP

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    I really don't think Hopkins isn't nearly the same. He's pretty much shot, despite having good/solid skills to fall back on. His legs looked so damn unsteady against Jones and Pascal. And his reflexes have faded quite a bit since 2008.
     
  12. Royal-T-Bag

    Royal-T-Bag Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    he looked like that vs Joe too. I think he looked better vs Pascal than he did vs Joe but that's proly down to the opponents style....reagrdless I don't think B-Hop that fought Calzaghe would have beaten B-Hop that fought Pascal
     
  13. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So if Hopkins wins this fight, what will you say being that you keep saying he's a shot fighter that can't pull the trigger anymore?
     
  14. Primadonna Kool

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    Dawson beats any version of Hopkins, just a bad match up stylistically.

    Bernard Hopkins cannot cope with athletically gifted fighters, who also have advance ring generalship and boxing skills.
     
  15. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So if Hopkins beats him or comes close to it, than what will you say than?