Will Jermain Taylor Defeat Andre Ward?

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  1. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh yeah -- not much of a drinker.
     
  2. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Taylor UD Ward

    Taylor is not Kessler,
    Ward is not Abraham

    Kessler only had 3 punches against Ward:
    1) Jab
    2) Straight right hand that follows the Jab
    3) Right uppercut that is thrown in the inside

    Ward neutralized all 3 of these punches by:
    1) Leaning over to his right, to avoid the Jab
    2) Kessler doesn't throw the straight right unless he has set it up with the jab
    3) Clinch and throw petty punches in the clinch so the Kessler cant fight on the inside

    When Ward leaned over to his right Kessler's corner was saying throw the left Hook, and Kessler didn't.
    Kessler was always getting clinched because he never moved left or right, but he was Jabbing and going forward.
     
  3. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good stuff, thanks! :good
     
  4. MrPR

    MrPR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    kesslers cut with the exception of the last cut were caused by crisp punching from Ward
     
  5. ramalinga

    ramalinga Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ward UD Taylor.

    Taylor is not Kessler, who didn't come back from a concussion - level knockout to face Ward. Kessler looked rusty alright, but that's a lot better than going into a fight after two consecutive brutal knockout losses, like Taylor will when he face Ward.

    Mentally, Ward is on the highpoint of his career, he beat the pre - tournament favorite. Taylor must be mentally on an all - time low. After losing the title to Pavlik, he could encourage himself with the 2nd round knockdown and say he let a real chance to win slip by. After the loss to Froch, he could say he was leading on the cards and was just getting tired. What can he do to build his confidence after being outpointed and KO'd against a fighter that everybody said was inferior to him as a technical boxer?

    Before a Taylor fight, it's always the "if he does xxx better than last time, he will win" Everbody seemed to say that about his stamina before he fought Abraham. His stamina WAS better and for the first time in his career, he was clearly losing on the cards going into a 12th round. Taylor is a good fighter, he just has a really hard time maximzing his best attributes. Ward seems to be quite capable of maximizing his best qualities.
     
  6. Predicto

    Predicto Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Can't see it happening... But you never know,,, JT is still dangerous early, and Ward has been stunned and floored already.

    It's down to a "punchers chance" for Taylor...
    Dosn't look good,,, could be the end of the line for Jemaine.
     
  7. zarman

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    i wouldn't be surprised if the 3 losers win their next match. now that would be interesting
     
  8. Serenata

    Serenata Fit und geimpft Full Member

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    Ok, we can stop discussing now until you watch the fight again. No use talking any further...
     
  9. MrPR

    MrPR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  10. richie leon

    richie leon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wow... after all the deficiencies in Jermain Taylor that have been exposed people still overrate him... wow
    I think Kessler can do just about anything Taylor does only better. I think Ward punishes Taylor and possibly stops him late, no ko but i can see an accumulated punishment type stoppage. I'm really not even comfortable with this fight probably taking place, nor am i especially interested in it. If Ward wins then so what? What does it mean or prove?
    Every opponent Taylor fought who was taken remotely serious on the world-class level has been beating him in the last 2,5 years.
     
  11. dbouziane

    dbouziane ............. Full Member

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    pav, froch and aa...cannot be confused w/ ward stylistically by anyone. pav and aa put miranda to sleep...and put taylor to sleep. ward hit miranda all night and miranda saw the final bell..

    you have not watched a whole lot of taylor fights it seems. so i suggest doing that and then re-watching the ward kessler fight and watch ward start leaping in with that left and watch how low he finishes. then think back to the taylor fights you just watched for the first time and watch what he does w/ his right to pav, froch, lacy, etc. directly over a careless left. additionally, ward will not gas taylor fighting the way he did against kess. so where does that leave him? can't gas taylor and can't stop him like aa, pav and froch. taylor may very well lose b/c he finds ways to **** up fights but your crazy if you don't think taylor will be competitve. taylor is quick with his shots and is accurate. he may be shot but he can still make this competitive.
     
  12. BENNY BLANCO

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    Obviously Ward is the favorite going into the fight but Taylor will be much more competitive with him than Kessler was.
     
  13. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    Exactly. But most of these dopes picked Kessler to beat Ward. All they know is names. they dont know how to analyze a fighters strengths and weaknesses, and Taylor isnt as fast nor as active as Ward.
     
  14. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If the concussive-level KO loss was so damaging I think Taylor wouldn't continue in this tournament. He got KO, actually not KO, but a KTFO for the first time in his career against Pavlik, and he came back in the second fight and performed better, but still lost.

    Taylor losing on the cards going into the 12th round of Arthur Abraham fight wasnt the first time this happend to Taylor. You would also see this happen in the Winky Wright Fight.

    Taylor wasn't scoring rounds against Arthur Abraham, because AA had that high guard, and Taylor couldn't get a punch through in order to score. He wasn't taking a risk because he knew of AA punching power.

    Comparing Ward with Taylor's opponents

    1) Ward doesn't have the punching power of Pavlik, Froch, or AA.

    2) Ward doesn't wear down his opponent with accumulative punching like Pavlik or Froch, (he does however wear down his opponent with accumulative headbutts)

    3) Ward doesn't have the defense of AA, or Winky Wright those caused Taylor to be not scoring.
     
  15. dbouziane

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    i picked ward over kessler and see taylor being competitive.