Will Moses Itauma surpass Mike Tyson?

Legacy wise, hell no
But skill wise, I can see it if he puts his heart into the sport and isn't influenced by dirty promoters, substances and hookers, which is what set Tyson back.

 

No , that won,t happen imo....he hasn,t beaten anyone in the top 30 ( not even top 50 )
Tyson beat some real good fighters before he met Trevor Berbick.

 

Stop reading at "Tyson was decent"

Obvious troll thread from someone who made an account today to have a wind up nothing to see here folks.

 

You're right, my apologies, Mike Tyson was a total bum.

 

I've watched boxing closely since 1987 (& casually for many years before that).

Mike Tyson at his peak probably beats any H/W who ever lived. I'm not American, so there's no nationalistic sentiment attached to that comment.

I'd agree with the comment that he never won fights coming from behind. At his peak, he was too good to fall behind.

Itauma looks good for a 20 yo although probably no better than that Russian kid who pushed Jalolov a month before the Olympics.

I'll take Itauma seriously when he beats a live opponent. Justis Huni will do.

 

Honestly I've never understood why people criticise Tyson for not winning fights coming from behind ?

So he should be discredited because he was that good that he dominated most of his opposition ?

It's a silly narrative that I've never understood honestly.

Yet these same fans will criticise fighters for struggling too much in fights fans are never satisfied.

Tyson had a 4 year reign cleaning out the Heavyweight division winning 10 World title fights amassing a record of 37-0 with 33 knockouts between 1985-1989 that is a superb stat.

The troll in this thread is claiming Tyson had an average chin lol he took bombs off Ruddock who was a huge puncher without blinking.

Pretty much all of Tyson's stoppage losses were from an accumulation of punishment over numerous rounds so claiming he has a average chin based on that is moronic.

I also love how people call Douglas a bum they're the same casuals that don't know anything about 80s Heavyweights.

Douglas was a ranked contender for 4 years and had beaten notable Heavyweights like Page, McCall, Berbick, who all held title belts at one point.

He also had a stand out performance vs Mike Williams knocking his opponent down 3 times with a jab which is pretty much unheard of can anyone else point to another fight of that happening ?

Douglas also had a 12 inch reach advantage over Tyson and was 5 inches taller. Name me another Heavyweight who has overcome a top 10 ranked Heavyweight with such a disadvantage in height and reach ?

 

Tyson came around at the right time. He was an exciting fighter who came into what was a boring division at the time and ignited it with highlight reel KO's. The bad part is the division was in shambles and splintered and his prime was very short and resume lacking. It is what it is. Mike Tyson is the GOAT to casual Boxing fans. To real fans he was an exciting fighter whose prime was limited and so was his opposition.

 

How long have you been watching boxing? This is absurd.

 

You say this yet when we debated on RJJ you had nothing to offer in the debate so I wouldn't go there if I was you.

Absurd ? Give me an example then of two top 10 ranked Heavyweights where one fighter has a 12 inch reach disadvantage and a 5 inch height disadvantage and won ?

Put it this way its not the norm it's extremely difficult to get past a 12 inch reach disadvantage especially vs Douglas who had a very good jab and fought the fight of his life.

 

Let's see how Itauma does against the top ten rated guys in this era. To date, he hasn't fought or beaten any, and he shouldn't be judged negatively for that since he's so young and inexperienced, but let's not pretend a lot of guys look exceptional against cans, journeymen and fringe contenders, only to look like laughable limited journeymen when they step up.

We saw how Tyson did in the 80s- early 90s.....he did phenomenal. You can make excuses on why his opposition sucked, but you can do that with anyone, in fact I did (a little tongue in cheek though)

I like this game! Let me give it a shot
Tommy Burns won a vacant title from Marvin Root, so he never beat the actual champion
Johnson beat Burns who won a vacant title, paper champ and when he beat Jeffries he was past it and retired
Willard beat an old Johnson who may or may not have thrown the fight so terrible win
Dempsey beat Willard who was inactive and not good to begin with
Tunney beat a semi-retired Dempsey who was checked out of boxing mentally and very inactive
Schmelimg never beat Tunney and he won the title on a foul
Sharkey beat Schmeling who won the title on a DQ and didn't beat Tunney as stated previously
Carnera beat Sharkey and Sharkey has always been hot and cold so horrible win, and, Carnera has been accused of winning fixed fights
Baer never any good just a puncher beats the giant Carnera who was too one demensional
Braddock beats Baer who was just overconfident and not focused
As said Louis beat Braddock who was basically a journey man on a hot streak
Charles beats Walcott who can't win the big one and then beats an old Louis to cement his title reign
Walcott finally wins against light heavy Charles, his 5th try at the title
Marciano beats Walcott who is ancient for a heavy champ at this stage of history
Patterson as said wins the title of an old light heavy Moored and doesn't fight or beat Marciano
Ingo gets lucky on protected Patterson
Patterson regains the title from In go who got lucky beforehand
Liston demolishes Patterson but Patterson was always chinny and ducking Liston
Ali beats old unmotivated Liston
Frazier wins a vacant title from guys not named Ali, then beats Ali who was a shadow of his fomer self because of inactivity
Foreman beats one dimensional Frazier, but Frazier is tailored made for Foreman
Ali beats Foreman, but Foreman is probably jet lagged and he was one dimensional slugger anyway
Spinks beats an old Ali who is on a severe slide
Ali beats Spinks who is inexperienced and never good to begin with
Holmes bests Ali who is in absolutely horrible shape at this point
Spinks wins a drcision over Holmes who is looking for easy fights at this point and is older
Tyson KOs Spinks who's a petrified light heavy with bad knees
Douglas beats a partyed out, untrained Tyson
Holyfield KOs a Douglas who's biggest concern is the buffet
Bowe goes life and death with a Holyfield that had struggled with Bert Cooper, and two 40 year plus old heavyweights
Holyfield beats Bowe because of a freak fan man occurrence
Moorer beats Holyfield who has a bad heart and health problems
Foreman lucks out and KOs chinny Moorer in a fight he was losing
Briggs wins a controversial decision against mummified Foreman
Lewis KOs Briggs who wasn't good to begin with
Rahman KOs an unfocused Lewis who was filming a movie, overlooking Hasim, and wasnt acclimated to the altitude
Lewis KOs Rahman who wasn't good to begin with
Klitchskos can't unify in like 15 years of being atop the division

And here we are, there has never been a good lineal heavyweight title win

 

The Itauma you saw against Wach and McKean - think about what prime Mike Tyson would have done to Itauma. I'm talking about Itauma here - there are levels to this.

Mike Tyson in his prime was truly the undisputed champion, and also the pound for pound number 1. He beat everyone that was in front of him in the HW division then.