Will Parker do significantly better against Wilder than Szpilka, Washington and Molina?

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Will Parker do significantly better than Szpilka/Washington/Molina

Poll closed Dec 21, 2023.
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  2. No

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  1. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This Wilder is significantly older and Fury did a lot of damage to him, Wilder against Szpilka, Washington and Molina was fresher and younger, but now Wilder is a better boxer than then. Parker will be better than Szpilka, Washington and Molina, but he will still be knocked out...
     
  2. Salty Dog

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    Hard to know. I think the Parker of that time could probably beat both those guys when Wilder did and maybe in more dominant fashion.

    That said (and I fully acknowledge that I could be wrong about this), I think Wilder retains greater will to win, is probably still more resilient and less worn. Parker seems to me to have been just going through the motions for the $$$ for many years now. Just getting by on his skill and talent but with little passion. He has shown no great determination since when?

    On the other hand, Wilder left it all in the ring both times he took a beating at the hands of Fury. Delusional narcissist that he appears to be, he remains defiant. Goofy mf that he seems, he stays in shape and spends an awful lot of time in the gym. You see his often cringey training videos on a regular basis. No matter how much of a dork you are, if you keep at something, you improve. I don't see a lot of give up in The Dosser.

    Wouldn't surprise me if Parker went down quick. He ought to have the stuff to win, but I don't think he cares that much.
     
  3. BlackDog

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    Its not about take Wilder biggest shot and not go down. Its about not take it.
    Best shot from Wilder is right hand. He can drop it on You when he got space and time. Most of the time it look like that. I dont count his Ko on ppl like Helenius where he just touch opponent and they die....

    So main goal for Parker should be stay close to Wilder to not let this right hand find full power. Stay close and being agresive in ring trying find his own good shots.

    If Parker come to this fight with plan to outbox Wilder he loose it by KO. He never was good at this and he never had perfect stamina to do that so. Wilder will catch him sooner or later if he will play games with him.

    He should use his chance and try destroy Wilder in first half. His chance will be much bigger.
     
  4. Kiwi_in_America

    Kiwi_in_America The Tuaminator Full Member

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    I totally agree with you, BlackDog

    Hope Parker goes for it
     
  5. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's always hard to tell with Wilder.

    We've seen him clowned or smashed by Fury (with the first fight admittedly having some beautiful knockdowns) and then.. there is a majestic gulf in quality of opposition and Ortiz stuck in-between.

    Wilder had hiccups he shouldn't have had. Wilder proved himself an uncoordinated oaf. Wilder has a laser right hand, and Parker had questionable decision against Chisora, and losses to Whyte, Joshua, and Joyce, as well as a lot of mileage for a man his age and era—admittedly an admirable thing. He was dropped, he could be gun shy, he could sleep through the fight.

    The #5 sport from the Corrupt (the Ring) is already set-up for Parker to enhance Wilder's future stand, so I reckon he is expected to win. Definitely possible. Parker was always generously a Joe Bugner of his era at best.
     
  6. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Also, War Parker.
     
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  7. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    This is boxing, he's going to take a big punch sooner or later from Wilder, and if he can stand upto it then he has the ability to outhustle Wilder. Wilder has been on a pretty significant layoff and we really don't know what his chin is like after the Fury fights. He's got to answer some questions against a game Parker, who is going to come to win imo, not just come for a check. This is going to be a tough fight for Wilder.
     
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  8. Brighton bomber

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    Parker won't get blown out early like Helenius, he actually has some head movement and isn't a sitting duck like Helenius or Breazeale.

    Wilder has been out of the ring for some time and will likely need a few rounds to find his rhythm, so I expect Parker to give Wilder problems early on. He'll back Wilder up, where we all know he's less effective and Wilder will simply bide his time as he loses rounds to land a big shot, which will come.

    Parker does seem to have a decent chin, despite being stopped late by Joyce, so I don't expect him to fold from the first big shot from Wilder. But in the end I expect Parker's limitations and Wilder's power to see Wilder come out on top, likely by stopping Parker with another highlight reel KO.
     
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  9. BlackDog

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    Off course he must be ready to take some shots but for real- Parker is not Helenius and I hope he dont give up in first hard situation. Actually there is possibility that he is in top of Wilder opponents in case of punch resistans.

    When Wilder afraid of punching power from his opponent he dont throw killer shots again and again. Look at punching stats vs Ortiz 2. He throw in 7 rounds 11 power punch at head and 34 punch at all. And 9 of his 17 power punches was in last 7 round. To this final round Ortiz take 8 punches. Come on...

    We dont know how much respect he bring to this fight. We know he is now after 2 defeat from Fury where he took big punishment and we also know that Parker got quick and pretty heavy hand.

    I belive that Parker is smart enough to avoid big punch in first half of the fight because I dont belive it will be looks like Joyce fight because Joe is other type of monster.
     
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  10. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "I think the Parker of that time could probably beat both those guys when Wilder did and maybe in more dominant fashion."

    Maybe, maybe not but it's not about whether Parker would beat Szpilka, Washington and Molina or beat them in better fashion, it's about whether he'll do significantly better against Wilder. The voting consensus right now is that he will but I doubt it.

    "He has shown no great determination since when?"

    Parker looked like he had more fire in his belly against Chisora 2 and Joyce than he'd had for many years prior, possibly ever.
     
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  11. Redbeard7

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    "he actually has some head movement and isn't a sitting duck like Helenius or Breazeale."

    They both took Joshua 7 rounds...

    "He'll back Wilder up, where we all know he's less effective"

    Wilder is primarily a backfoot fighter but sure, whatever makes you feel better.
     
  12. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "It's always hard to tell with Wilder."

    Is it? He's a 1/5 favourite to beat Parker, 1/3 by KO. Wilder and Parker have a lot of fights against a lot of names, they aren't exactly unknown quantities.

    "Wilder proved himself an uncoordinated oaf."

    His balance is poor but his accuracy is good, hence he always lands his right hand and this fight will be no different in all probability.

    "The #5 sport from the Corrupt (the Ring) is already set-up for Parker to enhance Wilder's future stand"

    Weird conspiracy. Wilder-Ruiz was supposed to be on before Ruiz went awol and if you look at Ring's rankings from the end of last year, it's not hard to work out why a very active former 2 defence titlist in Parker has moved up:

    https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_2022
     
  13. Brighton bomber

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    Joshua doesn't hit as hard as Wilder though that everyone can agree on and Joshua for the Helnius fight was too timid, moment he went in for the kill he had Helenius out of there.

    Wilder is not a back foot fighter, he's been outboxed at times when trying to box that way, like vs Ortiz and Fury. Wilder is a rangy fighter who is reactive so he looks to maintain distance, but that's not the same as being a back foot fighter. But he is also not a forward pressure fighter, he ideally prefers a stationary opponent, that's when he's far more effective when he's allowed to plant his feet and get leverage in his big right hand. He's devastating when he's got a sitting target in front of him. Though he's capable of a sneaky counter on the back foot too, so isn't totally inept when on the backfoot.

    Watch his fights with Washington and Szpilka, he was backed up early in those fights and struggled, but the moment he decided to stop backing up and set his feet he blasted them out of there. I think he could of finished them both much earlier had he just decided to take them both out early and not try to box on the back foot where he's just not that good.
     
  14. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Helenius was gassing from round 5, there for the taking for 2 rounds, 6 days notice after fighting a low level journeyman. Joshua landed 74 punches, 18 power according to Compubox. Prior to round 5 I remember Joshua saying "I can't land my right hand" in the corner. Wilder is simply better at setting up his money punch.

    Wilder is a backfoot fighter, hence he's fought and won on the backfoot in most of his championship and post-championship fights. Stiverne, Duhaupas, Arreola, Ortiz 1, Breazeale, Fury 2, Fury 3 and Helenius were all pressuring and Wilder had plenty of success on the backfoot, barring the 2nd fight vs Fury where he essentially got jumped. Even there he landed three good right hands to the head in the first 2 rounds, which is three more than I remember Whyte landing over 6.

    No one has beaten Wilder on points over 12 rounds, so the "outboxing" claim is questionable. Wilder's not playing the pointfighting game on the backfoot first and foremost, he's playing the "knock your head off" game. Wilder also doesn't care much about fan scoring opinions, he and his team care more about the judges and he knows he doesn't need to do that much to be given his fair share of rounds.
     
  15. zulander

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    If his chin holds up - sure. Parker is a decent fighter, solid in a lot of areas, and has good hand speed he can be guilty of being a bit to passive. See fight Vs AJ.
    If he can push Wilder on to the back foot he has every chance. I think eventually Wilder will get to him but I think it might take a few rounds to do it.