Will Parker do significantly better against Wilder than Szpilka, Washington and Molina?

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Will Parker do significantly better than Szpilka/Washington/Molina

Poll closed Dec 21, 2023.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. PistonHondai

    PistonHondai Active Member Full Member

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    Wilder will do to Parker what Joyce did to him but way faster and harder
     
  2. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's possible, but both have question marks. Wilder has been inactive and has Parker really recovered from his KO loss to Joyce? Three wins over lower level opposition doesn't convince me when Wilder unloads a bomb.
     
  3. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Duhuapas was rubbish"

    Yet his KO win over 22-0 Helenius is a better stoppage win than anything Parker has managed in his 36 fight career.

    "I can see a mid-round stoppage against Parker"

    That sounds like about the same if not worse than Molina, Szpilka and Washington.

    "It’s still shocking that this could be Wilder’s first win against a top 10 guy who isn’t over 38 years old"

    Stiverne was 36 and ranked 3rd by Ring, having just beat top 10 Arreola twice. The Arreola KO is also better than any Parker KO win. If Wilder wins it will be his 4th win against a top 6 opponent and his 7th fight against the top 7, 2 of which were against the No.1 ranked guy.

    "heart medication"

    Heart medication can be used to mask PED use and Ortiz still had enough left in the tank to go 50-50 over 12 rounds with Joshua-conqueror Ruiz 4.5 years, 7 fights, 6 KD's and 2 KO defeats later.
     
  4. Cally

    Cally Sand...sand... nothing but sand! Full Member

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    Another showreel incoming for wilder here.

    One thing I do like about wilder is his showreel ko's and this fight will be no exception!
     
  5. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    "Yet his KO win over 22-0 Helenius is a better stoppage win than anything Parker has managed in his 36 fight career."

    Parker's wins over Ruiz, Chisora 2, and Takam are objectively better wins than a victory over Helenius (who is very chinny). Duhuapas is incredibly limited and you cannot seriously be using him a means of propping up Wilder's paper thin resume.

    "That sounds like about the same if not worse than Molina, Szpilka and Washington."

    Wilder is also a much more experienced guy now and Parker has more miles on the clock. Wilder would clean all those guys out now, especially Molina who Wilder had a career-worst performance against.

    "Stiverne was 36 and ranked 3rd by Ring, having just beat top 10 Arreola twice. The Arreola KO is also better than any Parker KO win. If Wilder wins it will be his 4th win against a top 6 opponent and his 7th fight against the top 7, 2 of which were against the No.1 ranked guy."

    Stiverne, the guy who lost to Demetrice King and has done absolutely nothing asides from two wins against a limited Arreola. Parker has considerably better wins in his career and has shown much better longevity, staying in the Ring's top 10 for 397 weeks in a row. Parker would be Wilder's second biggest win after Ortiz 1.

    "Heart medication can be used to mask PED use and Ortiz still had enough left in the tank to go 50-50 over 12 rounds with Joshua-conqueror Ruiz 4.5 years, 7 fights, 6 KD's and 2 KO defeats later."

    The same Ruiz who was highly inactive, went life and death with Arreola, lost every round to AJ in the rematch, and hadn't looked anywhere near the guy who beat AJ in 2019? Ortiz also didn't go 50-50, he got dropped 3 times and lost the fight. Parker would have beaten him, as would most of the top guys. By the time he fought Wilder the second time his legs were shot and he was not a top 5 guy anymore. Take away his PEDs, Ortiz is not the absolute killer he was back in 2015.
     
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  6. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Parker's wins over Ruiz, Chisora 2, and Takam"

    Read what I said again: KO wins. Parker has no KO win as good as 22-0 Helenius, probably nothing even close. Which means that if Parker can't outpoint the opponent (and he failed to outpoint Whyte, only outpointing Ruiz and Chisora 1 for political reasons) then he has no realistic way of winning the fight. Duhaupas and Stiverne to their credit have shown more KO ability at a higher level than Parker has in his 36 fight pro career, regardless of their limitations or whether Parker would outpoint them.

    "and hadn't looked anywhere near the guy who beat AJ in 2019? Ortiz also didn't go 50-50, he got dropped 3 times and lost the fight."

    Ruiz has never looked as good as Joshua made him look before or since. He was labouring to competitive decision wins over shopworn versions of Liakhovich and Kevin prior to Joshua 1 and he was labouring to a war with 40+ Arreola and a razor-close decision over 43 year old Ortiz after. Ortiz was dropped 3x but so was Wlad against Peter 1, he still won clearly. Check fan scores on Boxrec and Eyeonthering, most had Ruiz-Ortiz very close, many dispute the 2nd KD and many had Ortiz beating Ruiz even with the 2nd KD.

    "By the time he fought Wilder the second time his legs were shot"

    He was on the slide but officially 40 year old, 1 KO defeat Ortiz likely goes one better than 43 year old, 2 KO defeats Ortiz and beats Ruiz over 12 rounds, ditto Parker.
     
  7. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why are KO wins that important? Ross Puritty has a better stoppage win than Wilder, that doesn’t mean anything. Depth of a resume are much more important factors.

    “political reasons” - what might these be? He beat Ruiz in a close fight and Chisora as well, they were not robberies simply highly competitive fights.

    Fan scorecards - I’ve seen some rubbish scorecards on here including one suggesting Ruiz drew with AJ in their second fight. Ortiz clearly lost to Ruiz and got dropped 3 times, he’s chinny and well past it. The version of him from the second fight vs Ruiz and Parker are a toss up.
     
  8. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Why are KO wins that important?"

    That you don't understand or affect to not understand severely reduces my interest in communicating with you.
     
  9. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Is a 12 round schooling worse than a 8th round KO where the guy was losing every round? There’s context to this, Duhuapas beating Helenius by sixth round KO is his only solid win. Chisora had plenty of wins that were more impressive and against better guys. It’s what you do across your career that matters, hence why Purrity’s single KO win over Wlad does not make his resume better than Wilder’s.
     
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  11. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's so painfully obvious I'm surprised he's still denying it.
     
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  12. elrond_buggard

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    He should theoretically, as he's a level or two above those guys. It's a really interesting fight, that could impact AJ and Fury's legacies. Parker is probably Wilder's strongest ever opponent bar Fury (case could be made it's Ortiz).

    If he beats Wilder, then it'll undermine the Wilder myth in a big way, cementing the idea that Wilder's record is extremely padded. In turn, it'll lift AJ's unexciting but nonetheless comfortable win over him. Granted, both guys are shopworn at this point, but probably to similar degrees, so it's very intriguing.

    Feels like Fury's legacy can really tilt one way or the other in the next few months depending on the Fury/Usyk and Wilder/Parker fights. It's interesting.
     
  13. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Parker's chin is starting to crack. He needs to back Wilder up the way Fury did and not let him get set for the big right hand.
     
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  14. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Drummer Boy had Wilder doing a dance from a left hook

    I don't think Parker will have a chance to hurt Wilder before he gets KOd
     
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  15. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "He should theoretically, as he's a level or two above those guys."

    68% think he will as it stands. But I think if he stands off Wilder he'll meet the same fate with similarly little success. If he goes forward he may have more success but also may be taken out very quickly. It's an interesting fight. Conversely to your points, if Wilder KO's Parker relatively easily then it will put another dent in the myth of Joshua's resume, which most on this forum still claim to believe in.

    "Granted, both guys are shopworn at this point, but probably to similar degrees,"

    I think this is the best time ever for Parker to beat Wilder. Parker's just under 32, Wilder's 38. Parker's active and on a three win streak, nine wins in his last ten, while Wilder is virtually 26 months inactive and has been KO'd twice in his last three fights, suffering six KD's. Parker's got the best possible people around him to give him intel on Wilder (Fury and Lee). Wilder doesn't have the aura of being undefeated and for my money Parker's more tenacious under Lee than he ever was previously. Parker's not under huge pressure as people strongly expect him to lose, whereas Wilder's career and potentially huge money fights are on the line.

    It's ironic that Wilder beating Parker would benefit Fury from a legacy/status point of view but he surely wants his best friend Joe to KO his arch nemesis.