Will RJJ teach Anderson Silva a boxing lesson, or will Silva embarrass him?

Not enough to beat anyone in the top 15 from 147 and up in this sport.

 

getting wet are we?

i said floyd would win fool.. i just questioned whether an athletic commission would sanction it.

I used to box at Cleackheaton. Keith Tate head trainer. He's produced 25+ National amateur champions.. and has had around 20 kids box for England internationally (in the 3-nations and beyond). 3 of his boys have gone on to become world champions.

I used to see Gary Sykes in the gym quite a bit, long time ago (talking pre-Athens olympics). He was number one superfeatherweight amateur at the time (while Khan was number1 lightweight amateur!).

So, shitty assumption, mate.

i said this before anyone in this thread, dumbass.
People were talking Jones-Silva.
I said Tito coming off of 1 fight in 4 yrs, would knock Anderson sout.
and I even went on to say, people down as low as 147 would beat Silva!
& people down at 147 hit harder!!! (+Manny @ 140.. hah!)

so stop trying to act all super-intelligent n high & mighty. Everything you are saying, I have covered already, mate.

Certainly would be picked apart technically.. However, Anderson is not a slow-moving target (he would stil get hit a lot.. but it does sound like you havent seen much of him at all calling him 'slow' etc?). He's pretty elusive... also, he does not throw strings of wide-loopy punches ! (though again, he isn't a good BOXER. he's a good Muay Thai striker! his punches aren't as straight as say Vitor Belfort's).

However,
Height still remains A FACTOR (just not a decisive one). 5'10 De La Hoya pales in comparison to rangey 6'2 Anderson. However, Anderson does not have the technical prowess to exploit his reach to outbox anyone good. All I simply said was it only takes 1 shot. Which no-one can dispute. I never said Anderson would outbox anyone good (quite the opposite. I emphatically stated ppl as low as 147 would outbox anderson and beat him).. nevermind Roy or Floyd!
I did however say that 1 clean is all it takes. And it has happened in the past in both sports a few times.


200lb guy with proven knockout power vs. a guy who doesn't have a renowned chin weighing 150lbs. chea.

Didn't say it Will or WOULD happen... all i said was that it COULD (almost 'freak' occurance). Though it's not a 'lucky punch' if you throw it and intend to land!


(all this, and I was the first in this thread to even say Anderson's power is overrated & he's not even the best boxer in MMA or even close hahahaha -- irony!).


you allege I haven't even been close to a boxing ring (which is funny, as time spent at a gym aside, literally-speaking: I got to ringside after Amir shutout Kotelnik to watch Richard Hayles notch up another win. Youtube him, 'richard hayles' -- could be another big domestic UK star out of Brendan Ingle's gym)!

 

Ever heard of a thing call implication or inference?

I'm assuming you have studied English Language to high-school level, right?

What was naive & ignorant here?

Suggesting that a boxer beating an MMA striker in a BOXING BOUT suggests that Boxing is 'better' than 'mma striking' as an effective art.

You've suggested that a Roy Jones victory can be taken as a demonstration of the thought that boxing is more effective or 'better' than 'mma striking' (as a striking science!).

As I explained before, boxing in MMA does not equal pure-boxing (be it amateur or professional). They are parallel universes apart as I have fully detailed before.

Even if Roy (the pure-boxer) was to beat Anderson under say K-1 rules or Traditional Muay Thai rules (they are different... for starters, no elbows in K-1!) that STILL would not show which art is more effective in a 'real fight' / IN THE CONTEXT of MMA (where there are so many more variables.. as I have already ****in' detailed).


If you can't take constructive criticism, perhaps you should choose your words more carefully so that you don't suggest naive **** like that!

 

Didn't say you did. was merely pointing out the fact that Roy would not be under half as much 'pressure' or incoming fire ...hence we may yet see a much better Roy than we did vs. Calzaghe... & perhaps he would not look AS lacklustre as you correctly stated he looked vs. Calzaghe. He sure as hell would have more opportunities & time to show us what's left in there! I still think he has that power in there. Enough to knock out Anderson, atleast.

can you blame me for salivating over poetry-in-motion prime-RJJ, the best boxer during my mature lifetime?

I don't disagree, was just saying there is SOME concept.. but not to the extent to which there is in professional boxing in a boxing ring WITH boxing gloves. Part of Floyd's defence is based on intercepting early with the gloves & countering -- as I said, that would not be possible in MMA -- was just merely pointing it out, son.

was just backing your point up that ppl have to acknowledge there 'is a chance' that anderson wins (however, i'm just saying.. that 'win' would always be a flash K.O. not a decision... he cannot possibly outbox roy over 12 rounds).

when quoting you I was just expanding to re-iterate and also give my own views. I wasn't just replying to you, just fyi. If i was just replying to you, i'd just Q4E and say 'agree, endof'.

can't take light humour can we, now!

the oxymoron was light-heartedly explained immediately after. calling it stupid doesn't work when the person expands on it in brackets, laughing with a 'hahahaha'.

These things are unexpected and not all that common. but they do happen & we have seen quite a few of them in our lifetimes, have we not?

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i see using the words naive & ignorant... in a pleasant manner, made you pissy! i apologize. atsch

 

Once again, I agree (and have actually said this before) except i think he does have a shot against the smaller 147lb'ers (not a great one, but it's something I'd tell punters to bet a modest amounts on.. as they could make decent profits!).

Not 154lbs and above, though (and even then, the majority of them at like 5'10 or 5'11, are MUCH smaller than anderson in terms of height & reach -- nevermind weight!).

Everyone top20 from 154 to 175.. without a glassjaw. Bet a decent amount on, imo.


everyone:
i'll say it once more, just in case you don't know & just assumed he is the best boxer..:
Anderson is FAR from the best BOXER in MMA.

He is however probably the best technical striker in MMA AT THE MOMENT (once Vitor gets going, I think that could be challenged & if Mousasi continues to develop his Dutch Kickboxing, he'll be up there shortly).


oh and pimp-- hope you understood what I was saying now, and if you read my earlier posts.. you'll know I agreed with what you're saying before you posted it!

 

Not only that, but who really wants to see it?

Keep the styles to themselves, please!

 

With gloves on, in a ring, RJJ will destroy him. Even after a five year layoff, RJJ would destroy him. I train BJJ, I know MMA, I know what Silva can do. RJJ will absolutely destroy him, period.

 

One of the greatest, most true things I've ever read. Thanks for making me laugh out loud. Really.

 

I just watched the vid of Silva "boxing" on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aofu...5FDF71E2&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=22

He'd get knocked the **** out by Jones, even a 50 year old Jones.

His hands are slow, he keeps them to low, he doesn't throw good combos, and he tries to be flashy even though he clearly doesn't know what he's doing.

Look at all the punches he takes! Look at him trying to use the Philly Shell- while not keeping his shoulder up and learning FORWARD into punches! That'll work well against one of the best hookers out there. And keep throwing that lead uppercut to the body with your other hand down... he'd be done.

Even a 68 year old Roy with colon cancer would kill this clown.

 

I don't think you are factoring in Roy's fragile Glass Jaw.

Should Roy win? Yes. Do I hope Roy would win? Absolutely.

But this could end very bad if Silva is able to land any type of punch. I just wish Silva would call out a real Boxer and not fragile Roy Jones.

 

That's Big Nog.. aka Antonio RODRIGO Nogueira (MinoTAURO... not minotoro). He's been in WARS back in PRIDE. Helluva heart. But he's not the good boxer out of the brothers. Though, he was alright for a heavyweight a few yrs ago!

In terms of BOXING, agreed.
In MMA, though, he is a master of space & range... has great footwork + is elusive. In the boxing ring though he's much easier to cut-off and not half as problematic assuming he's up against an equal (or better) striker.. nevermind a better boxer under ****in' boxing rules!!!

He's just playful. ****ing around.
You need to see him in MMA. He gracefully counters the **** out of everyone with his hands & feet with deadly accuracy. but again, I repeat. he's NOT a good boxer...!

Lol, in his last fight against Thales Leites (who had nothing offensive on the feet), he was bored n started doing all sortsa funny ****. Like Jab to the thigh LMAO & football tricks (footy as in soccer... not handball.. sorry, i mean, not American Football :tong)... like the Rabona.

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meh, though I've liked seeing ANderson pick apart aggressive overrated strikers... he's not one of my favourites outright! However, that doesn't factor into it:

he isn't the best boxer in MMA & roy should pick him apart!


lol, i wonder if he wil stil want to fight roy // roy still want to fight anderson... IF he loses before his contract finishes.

Hendo (via Lay n Pray), Maia (out of this world jiujitsu) or Vitor (better boxer, fast hands, great striker & also a southpaw) could take his belt away! I hope he smashes Hendo though.... & then Vitor takes his belt + proceeds to smash Hendo aswell.

 

K1 Max fighters would have a far better chance at success in boxing at a high level. Talk of mma fighters boxing is just academic. Jones-Silva would only provide amusement to boxing fans & ridicule of mma.

 

yes, broadly-speaking... but again, none of them would have a shot at being t10 in any division... EXCEPT perhaps a k-1 HW (so that's technically not K-1 MAX.. just fighters from the full K-1 GP!) due to the .hw division stinking in boxing.. especially once Wlad & Vitali pack it in!


in general though from the k-1 and k-1 MAX fighters... only Masato is up there with the so-called "better boxers" from MMA that I listed... and none of those really have a shot at being t10 as crossover stars to boxing. Looking at from a different perspective though, like had they trained boxing instead of 2+ arts from a young age.. then that's a different matter!
They are indeed underrated athletes in both MMA and kickboxing.


you bring up K-1 MAX!!! <3:

Masato's hands are beautifully mixed in with his kicks.
The way he picked away Kawajiri inside 2rds as I called it was beautiful.
& the way he picked Buakaw apart in their 2nd fight with his hands.. was immense also. especially that combination for the knockdown. beautiful.

i <3 both Masato & Buakaw. Buakaw's teaps are 2nd to none. He's a kicking machine, yo!