Will SSM take a career ending beating from Canelo?

Thanks, appreciate that :good

 

Jab should be key for a Canelo win.

 

On the flipside let's look at Shane's flaws:

He also fights his age. This means he's 40 years old and has looked it in his last 3 fights, even pre Margarito he looked bad against Mayorga (someone who stylistically a prime Shane coulda and woulda tee'd off on). On the subject of the Margarito fight, it's somewhat of a controversial view as such but I believe Tony's head was in nowhere near the right mindset for the fight, he fully understood the seriousness of the wraps being found on him. On top of that it is widely known he was suffering weight issues leading up to the bout, no one knows whether he would have won or not but I am under the opinion it would not have been so dominant or ended in a stoppage. Excluding the Tony fight, We haven't seen prime impressive win from Shane in years and his decline is visible when you look at his LW tapes against Molina and Johnson, or even the more recent WW DLH bout.

You mention Alvarez practising the shoulder roll during fights (which I also believe he was doing) to me this does show inexperience, but also control. Alvarez has had his opponents right where he wants them, even after being buzzed he has showed he can keep a cool head.

A few counter mental aspects...

I don't think Alvarez being on the horizon of a potential Mayweather fight will pose a negative affect on him at all. He's had to deal with alot of exposure over the past few years, just because he's young doesn't mean he's oblivious to what's at stake.

**** the respect. If anything we've seen from Shanes last fight he's the one with the respect issues between the two of them, like I said before I think you underrate Alvarez's professional mindset just for his age.

The points on Shane...

If Shane could suddenly just think "this is my last chance, lets knock this guy out" do you not think he would have turned this supposed super power on during his last 2 fights? Pacquiao was apparently an easy style matchup before their fight, look at the tape again man Shane was throwing range finding jabs that weren't even finding the range all night. What Shane thinks his body can do and what he can do are two different things entirely, as with every shot fighter we see.

My mind was thinking of more **** faster than I could type so I missed out aload of important **** man, its also probably a nightmare to read aswell but **** it.

 

Neither did people who said Donaire would dominate then KO Darchinyan in the early-middle rounds. Neither did people who said Rahman was going to brutally starch Lennox. Neither did people who said Ishida was going to drop Kirkland decisively in one round.
---
While I agree with you in this case, you can't just dismiss all predictions. HOWEVER, those who constantly pick the underdog just to say once a blue moon "I called it" need to hold themselves to their picks.

 

you can never dismiss all predictions. even the washington generals have beaten the harlem globetrotters. sports would lose all intrigue if upsets weren't a possibility.

 

If Shane can at least make a hard fought fight out of it I'd be happy with that.

 

I'm impressed, I was expecting the words 'Balls' and 'Brah'

I agree about Mayorga, and Margarito. The knockout of Tony can also be attributed to how much weight Margo had to lose in a very short time. Shanes last great performances were Vargas 1&2 and arguably Cotto. (Both Vargas fights were at 154, though the second one Vargas was finished as a top level fighter)

His recent fights, each fighter he has faced poses different problems to him. Mayweather had every conceivable advantage, and does not make mistakes. (excluding the second round)

Sergio Mora : I'd wager that it's much harder to land clean on Sergio Mora than it is to land on Alvarez, it was awful matchmaking by GBP. Mosley was short on confidence and they gave him one of the biggest spoilers in the game. Mora can do things Alvarez can't in terms of lateral movement. Though he does lack the punching power, fluidity and aggression of Canelo.

Pacquaio : Shane didn't do too badly until dropped, this discouraged him the same way he was with Forrest. After that it was a no contest.

If Alvarez drops Shane, then I think he stops him. Mosley's confidence wil vanish, and Alvarez's will grow.

Alvarez will come at Shane head on, something none of his three previous opponents did. This opens the doors. Alvarez was rocked by Cintron and Cotto, so it's not beyond possiblity that Shane does the same, if he can then the confidence boost which comes as a result makes the matchup very intresting.

Alvarez practising Boxing techniques during a fight : Yes it shows control, but that wouldn't be wise here, get the fight done and dusted, don't try anything unorthodox. Sholder rolling gave Gomez the chance to land shots, Mosley hits harder and faster.

(I've lost my pattern so sorry this is abit all over the place)

I don't think Alvarez will be overwhelmed by the prospect of a fight with Floyd either, but I do think he may come out too eager to impress, and slightly gung-ho. Here's a man Mayweather couldn't stop, Alvarez knows that and may want to top it.

Pacquaio was a style Shane hadn't seen before. Angles, footspeed, power, southpaw stance and combinations, this resulted in him having to adjust in the ring, and failing to do so. He was hesitant, and probably scared.

Alvarez is not a bag of tricks, Shane will look and see him do this, that and the other, the same habbits and routines. Mosley's legs are still there, they will open the doors for him, if he can find it in himself to punch, then he has a real live shot.

He's not what he was, but he's not fighting the callibure of who he used too either this time.

 

I could see Canelo beating Mosley in a tactical bout... I don't see a vicious beating!

 

Agreed.

Canelo is coming into a thing of beauty IMO...He's starting to become more patient and pick his spots! Shane is going to try to give him a tough fight but end up getting beat pretty badly!

 

Yeah, I'm leaning towards Canelo giving Mosley a vicious beating. Shane can't pull the trigger anymore.

 

Yeah exactly, Shanes had what, 4 impressive performances in the last 6 years one of them against a past it fighter, another against someone I feel wasn't at his best and another was a losing effort.

I agree that Alvarez has clear holes in his defence and a possible shaky chin in there too, this would be perfect for a non shot Mosley to feast on. Sometimes you have to put technical aspects aside and just come to the conclusion a fighter is done (I know you also picked Toney to beat Lebedev)

Good point on Shanes confidence being extremely easy to unsettle, this is why I believe a corner pullout could be on the cards Shane's looked for a way out in his last fight and I don't think Nazim will put too much into the "your cut from a different cloth, son" if he's getting beat up real bad this time. I also don't think just because Alvarez is Mexican its suddenly gonna inject Mosley with confidence that he's lost from not winning a fight in 3 years.

On the subject of the angles Shane will implement, yes Shane is a wiley vet who will be looking to cause Alvarez problems with side steps, side stepping is also risky if Saul can time him, I think Canelo will have Shane stuck behind a stiff jab all night, side stepping could walk himself onto a left hook or right hand. A prime Mosley would deal with this by countering the counter by rolling under the shots and unleash a body to head combo when in range (classic Shane move). Does Shane even have the legs to do this for the whole fight? He's clearly not as athletic as he was in his heyday when he would spring off into his shots with explosive power generated from his legs, he also seems to be heavy breathing more and more with each fight. I know you mention Shanes legs still being there, but back peddling from a poor attempt of cutting off the ring does not equate to the athletic explosiveness im talking about that would be needed to avoid the incoming counters.

 

Imma kick your ass:twisted:

I'm agreeing with most of what you say, Mosley was one of my favourites growing up and maybe I am a little blinded by that. (Toney wasn't, no issue with seeing him get bashed up)

Really good points Post Box, :good Best breakdown I've seen from you.

No problem admitting I was wrong if (or when if you like) Shane gets beat, but if he wins! I will upload a video of me doing an 'I told you so' dance :smoke

 

Naked, I hope.

Show me dem balls bro! :fire

 

Shane is my favorite fighter of all time but he is going to lose this fight badly while Oscars fat ass smiles from his seat.

 

:yep