Will the winner of GGG vs Jacobs be the lineal champ?

Haha, because it's the FIRST time he'll be fighting a guy that can weigh more than 155 lbs. All those fights were at 155 lbs. Now he's fighting a guy that is naturally a Middleweight in Chavez. The other guys he's fought at 155 lbs were just blown up 154-lbers. Chavez can weigh in 10 lbs above the highest weight Canelo's previously ever fought at before. This is a Huge jump up in weight from his 5 prior fights in the MW division, wouldn't you agree? After fighting Chavez, he'll surely be better adjusted to fighting bigger fighters like the ones at MW as opposed to the 154-lbers he's been fighting.

 

GGG was the mandatory for Cotto. The only reason he stepped aside was because he'd be mandatory to the winner of Cotto/Canelo. He should have pressed his claim and made Cotto either face him or vacate. That would have been the hard-ass thing to do. I don't think Cotto even paid the step aside fee.

 

Cotto didnt even paying the sanctioning fees for his fight with Canelo LOL. Cotto was basically saying "HERE CANELO, PLEASE TAKE THIS TITLE, YOU FIGHT TRIPLE G, I DON'T WANT IT ANYMORE BECAUSE THEN I'LL HAVE TO FIGHT GOLOVKIN".

Cotto just wanted to get paid. He didn't want any part of fighting Golovkin. In fairness Cotto was passed his prime, and was never really a Middleweight, so I could understand it to an extent, but at the same time it's hypocritical to get all bent out of shape over Canelo vacating but at the same time giving Cotto a pass for essentially doing the same thing. I'm not here to hate on Cotto, I'm a Cotto fan, but lets keep it real. Canelo didn't back down though, he took the offer, he wasn't afraid of fighting Golovkin. Sure he ended up vacating the title and all that jazz, but at the end of the day Canelo has made it very clear that he is intent on fighting Golovkin. So I'm willing to give Canelo the benefit of the doubt that he wants the fight, now more than ever, and that it will happen this year.

 

^ If Canelo fights GGG this year, then I will admit that his insane antics and delusional reasoning were in fact for real, and it is in fact I that do not comprehend the promoting genius that is ODLH

 

Dude...it doesn't matter if it's 155, 156, or 160. He entered the MW division. Do you know how everyone else moves up in weight? They just move the f*ck up in weight! LOL

Yet you give Canelo some weird benefit of the doubt for fighting in a pointless weight of 155. What was the point of facing Angulo, Lara, and Kirkland at 155? What purpose does that serve? Does every other fight act this way when moving up? Nope. But Canelo has pull, so he can get away with it.

How are you calling someone as large as Chavez Jr a natural MW? Even when he weighed in at 160, he was adding a ton of weight after. Seriously, how did you come up with this?

 

What other opportunities did Canelo have at that time? It's not like fighting Angulo, Lara, and Kirkland was his first choice!! He wanted to have a rematch with Floyd Mayweather Jr!! But Guess what? Floyd didn't want none of a Canelo rematch and he moved back down to 147 never to return to LMW, or "152", again. Canelo would have loved to have fought those guys for the title Floyd was holding hostage. You asked what point was it to fight at 155? Well what else was out there for him? He was just staying active trying to find another title opportunity. And with the 154-lb titles being held hostage, the biggest Title he could fight for was vs Cotto. So he made that fight, and the rest is history.

OK let me re-phrase, not a Natural MW, probably a natural Super Middleweight, but the point is Chavez is a natural MW / SMW as opposed to natural 154-lbers like he's been fighting. Chavez is the first "big guy" he's fought is what I'm saying, which suggests he's serious about fighting actual MWs as opposed to 154-lbers. Comprende?

 

Not his first choice? Where did you get that from? Are you aware that Canelo can pick virtually whomever he wants to fight at or about his weight class? And has had that ability for some time now?

Whether he wanted a rematch w/ Floyd or not, how the f*ck does that justify fighting three jr MW's at 155? You make absolutely no sense in your attempts to rationalize canelo's actions. Not to mention, you're pretty much all over the place with your claims.

So Saul could NOT stay active if he fought Angulo, Lara, and Kirkland at 154. That is what you are saying, whether it's intentional or not.

Serious? It's nothing but a money grab fight!! How do yo not even see that? Good f'n lord....

 

No one gave Cotto a pass at the time. Especially not as big a pass as you are trying to give Alvarez.

 

What does it matter if he fought them at 154 or 155 if they were non-title fights? My guess is he was planning on making 154 but just came in at 155 because there was no title on the line.

It seems like you're just finding reasons to get into an argument. Who said anything about it being a money grab fight. The point I was making was that he's fighting a guy at MW / SMW as opposed to defending his 154-lb title at 154 and fighting a 154-lb fighter.

To those who wanted to see Canelo fight Middleweights as opposed to Light Middleweights, well they are getting their wish (AND THEN SOME) by fighting Chavez as opposed to smaller guys from the 154-lb division.

 

Come on, hardly anyone criticized Cotto for not paying the sanctioning fees. Hardly anyone went out of their way to say Cotto was ducking Golovkin. No one is going around calling Cotto "El Pollo" for being too "chicken" to fight Golovkin.

What pass am I giving Alvarez? I have said repeatedly that I want to see the fight happen in September.

 

You give him a pass for what he's already done, not for what he 'claims' he will do. BTW, claiming to do something means nothing until there's follow through. I hope this fall we see how serious GBP really is.

Cotto got a lot of grief for his part too. Maybe not as much as Canelo did, but Cotto didn't pull some BS stunt by bringing 3G in the ring did he? You need to accept the fact that his actions, what he says and what he did instead, are a big reason for people to give Canelo sh*t. You don't have to like it to acknowledge it.

 

Because you said he fought at 155 because he had no other choice. That's what you said. And now you are saying what did it matter?

You need to stick to one point Shadow. I address what you said, offer my own POV and questions, and you just move to another 'talking point'.

I'm actually trying to understand your logic used Shadow. You jump around a bit, so it's hard to get a flow going when you just move to the next item on your agenda. The chavez fight isn't for anything other then to make a ton of money. It's not in preparation to face MW's. It's just a highly lucrative fight with not so much risk involved.

 

Shadow...it's pointless to continue this discussion. Agree to disagree...

 

Agree 100% on Cotto.

The problem I have with Canelo is twofold:

1. He strung along GGG for a while, choosing to defend the title against Khan artificially at MW (155) rather than vacating just go back to 154 straightaway. If he'd done the latter no one could have blamed him, he would've been a 154 fighter who just went up for the big money Cotto fight. This is minor, compared to:

2. He invited GGG into the ring and said he would fight him as soon as possible. Then he vacates and only sends an offer for a year later. Sept. 2017 is a bit too late. I'll give Canelo the benefit of the doubt though, I think that he was actually sincere when he invited GGG into the ring but got overruled/persuaded by the big boss (ODLH).

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Apart from that, I like Canelo. He's a good fighter, has an excellent resume for his age, has overruled his team before to get higher risk fights, and has a reasonably fan friendly style. So I'm no Canelo hater. He does get plenty of criticism for points #1 and #2 already, I get your point that Cotto escaped a lot of the criticism comparatively.

 

I think it’s the other way around. Golovkin was chasing him, Golovkin attended Canelo Khan, and probably planned on going into the ring after the fight. After the fight when he did, this was then reported as Canelo invited him into the ring, and thus that it was Canelo that was instigating Golovkin into a fight. No, I think it was just Canelo seeing Golovkin and not backing down. ask yourself, what if Canelo had said “no GGG’s not allowed in the ring”, then what would happened? “Canelo’s scared of Golovkin, didn’t let him come into the ring, etc”.

Along the same lines, had he just gone back to 154 straight away, I disagree that “no one would have blamed him”. We’d have the exact same situation we have now. “El Pollo”, too scared to fight Golovkin, etc.

I would also remind you that last year this time he was in fact trying to make the fight with Liam Smith, BUT then out of nowhere Amir Khan called up GBP wanting to make the fight with Canelo. Amir Khan being a bigger name than Smith, well it was obvious why they decided to fight Khan at 155 (with the title they had) as opposed to fighting Smith.

Had Khan not come along wanting the fight, he probably would have done exactly that and vacated this time last year and fought Smith in May. I don’t think Canelo would have vacated that title had they not had another title fight at 154 lined up.

Possibly, along those lines I’m pretty sure Canelo himself wanted to fight Chavez Jr, and from what I’ve gathered I’m not sure De La Hoya wanted him to fight Chavez. There’s definitely been times where I’ve questioned the way De La Hoya has been managing / advising Canelo, but at the same time you can’t really be too critical of him given that Canelo is the biggest star in boxing. Obviously Oscar’s doing something right, even if it’s causing a lot of people to love to hate Canelo. I think Canelo is sincere about his desire to fight Golovkin, but I genuinely think that it was important to Canelo himself to have one more Title Fight at 154. I think this is something a lot of people are missing, they don’t understand why that’s important. If you listened to his press conference after the Smith fight he made this clear as to why it was important to him.

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I like Canelo too. He’s great for the sport. It’s been frustrating at times, and I understand the fans questioning some of his decisions, but think it’ll all be water under the bridge if this fight happens in September.