Will the winner of Wladdy vs Haye be called "undisputed HW champ"?

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  1. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ

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    IF the fight actually and eventually takes place, will the winner (74% says Wlad, 26% says it's Haye according to the latest poll) be called "UNDISPUTED HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD" despite the obvious presence of WBC Champ Vitali Klitschko.

    To clarify, in that case the winner would have the IBF, IBO, WBO and (presumably) the WBA "Super" belt, and the Ring championship.
    What he doesn't have is the WBC (Vitali) and (again presumably) the WBA "regular" belt (vacant).

    A simple "yay" or "nay" will suffice!
     
  2. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    SNV is the undisputed linear people's champ. That's what matters right now, Robney. Not the man who robbed him and the man who wouldn't fight him in a million years squaring off against each other. Dig?


    Edit: Ha! Sorry, I know you know better. Of course! I get your trolling, my friend! Hahahahah!
     
  3. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    We won't have an undisputed champ unless at least one Klitschko retires.
     
  4. 12downfor10

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    Naa not while the wbc belt is in vitali's grasp (or solis's greasy mit)
     
  5. One Round

    One Round Hertfordshire's Finest Full Member

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  6. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Considering that Vitali is the best HW on the planet, no.
     
  7. rushman

    rushman Devoid is Devoid Full Member

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    Honestly?

    I think if Wlad wins (which seems inevitable) then he will be given that title fairly widely.

    If Haye was to somehow get a win (i.e. if Wlad injures himself during the fight) then Haye will not be widely regarded as undisputed champ.
    Of course his fans will bleat it forever, just like they go on and on and on about his amazing reign of two title fights at cruiser...

    Even though they would end up with the same belts, I think the treatment and sentiment would be different. That might not be fair, but I think it is true nonetheless. Wlad is seen as a legitimate, dominant champ. Haye is seen as a joke. It's hard to put the idea of "undisputed heavyweight champ" and "joke" together as a mental image.

    People also mentally put Wlad on the same level as Vitali. Although there is a lot of debate about which brother really is the better, the underlying assumption is that they are both on about the same level, well above the rest of the division.
    When Wlad wins, people will be less likely to say "what about Vitali, he'd still kick his ass - and therefore the championship is disputed". If Haye was to fluke a win, then people would still say "Vitali stands between him and being undisputed"

    Like I said, whether that is fair or not is up for debate. It's just how I see it playing out.
     
  8. MonsterX

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    A simple "yay" or "nay" will suffice!
     
  9. undisputedhype

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    they will be regarded as the undisputed champ but not likely to be it
     
  10. simon850

    simon850 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    if Haye beats them both, them we have our man
     
  11. Overhill

    Overhill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nope. 'Undisputed' is self-explanatory.
     
  12. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ

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    Right! :good

    That's my take on it, and I guess it should be everyones take.
    UNDISPUTED means that it's not disputed who the real champ in the division is. If only a few people "dispute" that and have a legitimate reason like in this case a 6' 7½" guy holding the WBC title and noone has come close to beating since his loss to LL back in 2003, then it's not "UNdisputed" anymore!

    Quite simple really...
     
  13. red hot sheep

    red hot sheep Member Full Member

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    WBC is a major belt held by a real talent so no.
     
  14. FeldMunster

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    If Wladimir wins, Yes (although I believe he already is, I don't see how anyone can dispute that he is the absolute ruler of the heavyweight division already).
    If Haye wins, No, he must face Vitali.
     
  15. Earl-hickey

    Earl-hickey Boxing Junkie banned

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    they would be the conscensus champ, but not undisputed